Call on our government to act on Genocide in the Sudan

From MoveOn.org

A major human tragedy is unfolding in Sudan, one that has reportedly
claimed at least 30,000 lives, and could claim hundreds of thousands
more unless the world community works together, starting immediately,
to end it.

But despite the growing catastrophe, the U.S. State Department has yet
to publicly condemn these actions, or even to formally recognize that
the atrocities in Sudan constitute genocide. Such recognition would
make a huge difference, catalyzing the world community to help stop the
bloodshed.

Please make a call to Secretary of State Colin Powell today at:

Secretary of State Colin Powell
202-647-4000 or 202-647-6607 or 202-647-6575

Urge him to:
- Immediately declare the atrocities in Sudan to be "Genocide"; and
- Publicly condemn them.

Please also call your Senators and Representative:



Urge them to demand that the United States recognize the genocide and
condemn it.

Please let us know you're calling, at:

http://www.moveon.org/callpowell.htm...6ow5DmjvJ5Fo.Q

Screams of Sudan's starving refugees

By Hilary Andersson
BBC Africa correspondent

The 15-month long conflict in Sudan's western province of Darfur has produced what the United Nations is calling "the worst humanitarian crisis in the world".

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/programme...nt/3840427.stm

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Please read this - it's rather long so I won't post the entire articel. It is an unflinching report from someone there on the ground.

Thanks Mr. Dave for continuing to present information on this.

http://www.globalpolicy.org/security...2usrethink.htm

From the New York Times, June 12th.

Originally Posted by Txsweeper http://www.globalpolicy.org/security...2usrethink.htm From the New York Times, June 12th.

Sounds good. I hope that the public awareness of this and public pressure has contributed to some of this progress, but it is still happening and needs to be stopped now.

It is sick.

We are in Iraq where many more killings happened and now everyone says we shouldn't be there, what makes you think that Sudan might not be the same. I know that is not the reason we went to Iraq, but it still happened. Don't flame me, just pointing out a fact.

Originally Posted by Mrsloon We are in Iraq where many more killings happened and now everyone says we shouldn't be there, what makes you think that Sudan might not be the same. I know that is not the reason we went to Iraq, but it still happened. Don't flame me, just pointing out a fact.

I think that The Sudan is an "in your face human rights catastrophe", Iraq wasn't and that wasn't the reason we went to Iraq. We did not go to Iraq in answer to a human rights call, if that were the case we were years and years late. What is happening Sudan is a very real, tragic situation that needs to be addressed, condemned and dealt with yesterday

And by the way MrDave, I've done my letter writing on this issue.

Originally Posted by Mrsloon Don't flame me, just pointing out a fact.

Man, this annoys the hell out of me.

What you are REALLY saying here is "I have an opinion that I do not want contradicted."

A thread is a conversation. If you don't want anyone to disagree with you, keep quiet.

Originally Posted by dandylin And by the way MrDave, I've done my letter writing on this issue.

Cool. :cool2:


Me too. I didn't get a direct response, but one of my Representatives put me on his newletter list this time.

Originally Posted by Mrsloon We are in Iraq where many more killings happened and now everyone says we shouldn't be there, what makes you think that Sudan might not be the same. I know that is not the reason we went to Iraq, but it still happened.

This was the first thing that went through my mind when I read this. How many innocent Iraqi's were killed under the madman's reign? Hundreds? Thousands? Hundreds of thousands? Who knows the exact number, but it was a hell of a lot. If we had invaded Iraqi to stop it there, you would still be seeing the same comments now (i.e. "This is Bush just finishing what his daddy couldn't, blah, blah, blah"), and if we "invaded" Sudan, the first time a US citizen died there, people would begin screaming about having troops over there, and it would be Bushs' (or really any Presidents' if the truth be told) fault for that too.

There's an article about Sudan in this week's Time. Can't comment on it because I haven't had a chance to read it yet (too busy reading Mr Dave's 4000 posts). :cool2:

http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...658339,00.html

Originally Posted by am_sez There's an article about Sudan in this week's Time. Can't comment on it because I haven't had a chance to read it yet (too busy reading Mr Dave's 4000 posts). :cool2: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/ar...658339,00.html

Just received my copy in the mail today, I will read up on it tonight!

Originally Posted by mistylynn70 This was the first thing that went through my mind when I read this. How many innocent Iraqi's were killed under the madman's reign? Hundreds? Thousands? Hundreds of thousands? Who knows the exact number, but it was a hell of a lot. If we had invaded Iraqi to stop it there, you would still be seeing the same comments now (i.e. "This is Bush just finishing what his daddy couldn't, blah, blah, blah"), and if we "invaded" Sudan, the first time a US citizen died there, people would begin screaming about having troops over there, and it would be Bushs' (or really any Presidents' if the truth be told) fault for that too.

I think you are off on your assesment a bit, we, first of all, did not go into Iraq on a humanitarian mission, I think people could stomach casualites a bit more easily if it were for the sake of really saving human lives. I, being quite the liberal, can honestly tell you that I place no human life above another. I cannot bear to see anyone, anyone die the way these people in Sudan are dying. This is a military/humanitarian action I could stand behind. While I'm not absolutely sure of the politics involved here ( I really should do more research on the topic) but I can assure you that I would be much more comfortable with the reasons for going into Sudan than with the operations we are currently conducting.

During the time that Saddam was committing most of his crimes, we looked the other way. To call what we did in Iraq a humanitarian mission is inacurate, at the least.

Originally Posted by dandylin During the time that Saddam was committing most of his crimes, we looked the other way. To call what we did in Iraq a humanitarian mission is inacurate, at the least.

I don't believe I called what we did in Iraq a humanitarian mission. However, the needless slaughter of Iraqi's at the hand of a madman have now ended, and people no longer have to live in fear of being killed by him or one of his crazy sons. Yes, war does suck (and I am sorry, but "humanitarian missions" that use guns are wars just the same) and people will die - military as well as innocents. And at what time was he committing most of his crimes? Over the last decade? The last two decades? I for one am glad that man is no longer in power, regardless of how he got out of power and why he was taken out. I hope the Iraqi's can rebuild their country, and be able to live the life that everyone deserves.

Originally Posted by mistylynn70 This was the first thing that went through my mind when I read this. How many innocent Iraqi's were killed under the madman's reign? Hundreds? Thousands? Hundreds of thousands? Who knows the exact number, but it was a hell of a lot. If we had invaded Iraqi to stop it there, you would still be seeing the same comments now (i.e. "This is Bush just finishing what his daddy couldn't, blah, blah, blah"), and if we "invaded" Sudan, the first time a US citizen died there, people would begin screaming about having troops over there, and it would be Bushs' (or really any Presidents' if the truth be told) fault for that too.

Last count I heard on Saddams killing was at least 300,000. The libs and dems raised a stink about removing Saddam, could you imagine the stink they will raise if we go into Sudan? They couldn't give a good **** about anyone being exterminated as long as a Republican is in the White House.

Originally Posted by mistylynn70 I don't believe I called what we did in Iraq a humanitarian mission. However, the needless slaughter of Iraqi's at the hand of a madman have now ended, and people no longer have to live in fear of being killed by him or one of his crazy sons. Yes, war does suck (and I am sorry, but "humanitarian missions" that use guns are wars just the same) and people will die - military as well as innocents. And at what time was he committing most of his crimes? Over the last decade? The last two decades? I for one am glad that man is no longer in power, regardless of how he got out of power and why he was taken out. I hope the Iraqi's can rebuild their country, and be able to live the life that everyone deserves.

I agree! And I do believe that in the longer run, many will benefit from Iraq's liberation and newly found freedom.