Homebirthing risk of neonatal death up to triple that of hospital

Originally Posted by judyv01510 Statistic from where. Worldwide or the US. It is an important factor. What kind of study? How were the # of home births determined. I have a cousin (far removed) who has 4 kids, no ss #, they don't go to school not on radar. And I am sure in amongst home birthers there alot are under radar. Even in the US census, under the radar, is a problem. (what about all the cult communes are they counted) And the US government spends tons of money to try and get that as close to accurate as possible. I don't thing the CDC goes the extemes to get the data accurate. Statistic can say anything they want. Every person that ate an apple in 1857 died. Don't eat apples. This is not pro or con home birth. Just con on statistic.

AS I said statistic can say anything. One factor that not included in that skew stats is the home birth figure includes miscarriages. And most miscarriages occur at home. So new requirement for birth certificate include miscarriage at home as a home birth

Get the full facts before you decide.

The idea of home birthing sounds good- in theory. I like the comfort, I love that baby never has to be in a hospital setting, I love that it would be more relaxing for family...

I wouldn't do it for me personally (not that I can have more anyway) just simply because there are too many 'ifs' involved. We are no longer an uncivilized area- as such we have access to the best medical care insurance will allow us to use. For my babies- I want them as close to every gadget I can get them to that has a potential to save them SHOULD anything go wrong. Perhaps a little over-planning on my part? I just wouldn't take that chance that they'd need something and have to wait on an ambulance to rush them in as newborns.

With mine- being so small and spitting out the equivalent nearly of 2 bags of flour with both (one wasn't quite & one was well over)... I wanted whatever drugs they'd allow me to take! Plus two more for good measure. No way would I be able to suck it up to do it without them... I know they CAN give them to you at home, but- that's part of the whole experience of being natural at home... Not for me. Dope me up- bring me down when it's done. OUCH!!!

Originally Posted by ignoramoose Here's her background, annulla: Quote: For those of you who don’t know Dr. Tuteur, she is an obstetrician-gynecologist. She received her undergraduate degree from Harvard College and her medical degree from Boston University School of Medicine. Dr. Tuteur is a former clinical instructor at Harvard Medical School. Her book, How Your Baby Is Born, an illustrated guide to pregnancy, labor and delivery was published by Ziff-Davis Press in 1994. She runs the website AskDrAmy.com and has her own iPhone app, the Ask Dr. Amy Am I Pregnant Quiz. Dr. Tuteur blogs at The Skeptical OB. http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?p=2486

Well, it's good to know she's not biased

Pregnant woman = money machine. Pit to distress and "save the day" with a c-section. Consistently work against the woman's and baby's bodies to deliver the kid according to their magic (not evidence-based) protocol. Makes me want to vomit.

I could tell OB stories that would scare you worse than anything hollywood could put out, and they're true! There are some really misogynistic barbarians out there!

Originally Posted by zelda I would think that would be a duh moment...Of course having a baby in a hospital is safer for the baby than to have it at home....There's that common sense thing again.

Ditto. It's amazing that this would be considered news to anyone.
Imagine, more eduction and technology would equal better results. Shocking!

http://twincities.momslikeme.com/mem...6351&m=8373439

Here is a labor being video taped right now. She just got an epidural. Two things can happen now, the babys heart tones crash and she has an emergency c-section OR the epidural relaxes her enough and she dilates quickly and has a vaginal birth.

Lets all watch this unfold!

This doc commented what I was thinking in reguards to the anti-vax crowd.

# DrBadgeron 05 Nov 2009 at 8:06 am Just anecdotally, the people whom I’ve known to choose homebirth tend to be the same people who distrust the medical system, choose alternative treatments for pregnancy complications* and decide not to vaccinate their kids. So part of the increase in death rates may be from a selection bias of the other idiotic medical decisions that these mothers make. *A friend’s wife who is an alternative medicine nut once literally told me that if there’s any complication in her pregnancy during her homebirth her midwife will give her “some herbs.” When I asked her which herbs, she couldn’t answer (and got mad at me).

I can see a lot of parallels in this vs. vaccinating your children. It's a risk vs. benefit decsion. You have to decide what you are willing to gamble.

My cousin's baby died during a home birth.

Originally Posted by CAmom My cousin's baby died during a home birth.

Im so sorry. What happened?

My BFF is radical about home births. It worked out for her, and her daughter's two children.

I chose a middle road. I went to a Birthing Center with CNMs and some level of machinery and really it was the best of both worlds for me. It was my best birthing experience. And STILL there was a panicky, scary few minutes when he inhaled miconium and they were struggling to get him going.

Every single birth seems to be fraught with some sort of life or death situation. I have had 4 births and it always is kind of touch and go at some point.

The issue is, women should be empowered to say NO in the hospital.

OOOooh. I could tell you stories about my daughter's experience. I went to the car to have a cigarette and a rest (she was doing FINE!) and when I came back she was wild eyed and screaming. They had pitosined her! For no reason!

I am not too keen about lay midwives delivering babies at home. My old room mate who lived in England and was a certified Nurse Midwife , went to a lay Midwife birth of one of her friends. She observed the delivery and said the lay Midwife did not even know how many veins and arteries were suppose to be in the umbilical cord. There was one of each. That can signify that the baby has other problems. Anyway, nothing was even said to the mother about the missing artery. Also, my sister had to donate blood in Aspen in the 1970s when someone lost a tremendous amount of blood and needed blood donors from the community after hemorrhaging during a home birth.

I know my own daughter would have been in some serious trouble if I had her at home . The birth went fine and I needed no interventions(although I was considered high risk), but she had a segment of dead bowel and got progressively sicker as time went on for about 2 days before she was rushed to surgery. What if I had been left alone with her? It could have been disastrous. On the second night after she was born , her belly got more and more distended and I might not have noticed that.

I think about that all the time when I hear about home births. I do think having a home birth with a certified nurse midwife might be nice though if one is extremely healthy. It might cut down on hospital acquired infections etc.

Originally Posted by melonhed This doc commented what I was thinking in reguards to the anti-vax crowd. I can see a lot of parallels in this vs. vaccinating your children. It's a risk vs. benefit decsion. You have to decide what you are willing to gamble.

I do not understand how the Duggars get doctors to stand by for home births. I thought that was against their practice acts? Am I wrong? I did not think doctors were allowed to attend home births. I know years ago, the laws here did not even allow Nurse Midwifes to attend home births. Anyway, on their shows, the Duggars say they have had home births with doctors attending. What doctor would do that?

It is called denial when not vaccinating your children. I heard a doctor on NPR yesterday, talking about how the anti vax crowd is totally into denial and they do not even look at risk factors. For instance , the swine flu vaccine in 1976 only increased the risk of GB by 1 case in 100000 and yet people quote those statistics when not vaccinating against H1N1. Those are incredibly low risks of being injured by a vaccine vs. the disease. The risks of getting GB NOW from a seasonal vaccine or the new H1N1 is only 1 in 1,000000 and yet people are in denial about the risks. The risks of a vaccine related injury are minuscule vs the disease. The likely hood of being hospitalized by H1N1 is far greater. I just do not understand it at all.

[quote=pearlleemay;8888446]I do not understand how the Duggars get doctors to stand by for home births. I thought that was against their practice acts? Am I wrong? I did not think doctors were allowed to attend home births. I know years ago, the laws here did not even allow Nurse Midwifes to attend home births. Anyway, on their shows, the Duggars say they have had home births with doctors attending. What doctor would do that?

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Jim Bob and Michelle have their babies in a hospital--they had one or two at home but decided a hospital was safer.

Their daughter-in-law had a homebirth way a doubla, not a midwife or doctor, recently.

[quote=texaslady22;8888478][quote=pearlleemay;8888446]I do not understand how the Duggars get doctors to stand by for home births. I thought that was against their practice acts? Am I wrong? I did not think doctors were allowed to attend home births. I know years ago, the laws here did not even allow Nurse Midwifes to attend home births. Anyway, on their shows, the Duggars say they have had home births with doctors attending. What doctor would do that?

Jim Bob and Michelle have their babies in a hospital--they had one or two at home but decided a hospital was safer. Their daughter-in-law had a homebirth way a doubla, not a midwife or doctor, recently.

I watched that 25 year second wedding special and they did have a doctor attend one of their home births. I am wondering if it was an MD, OD, or chiropractor. Honestly, I do not think it is in their medical practice act. I know Nurse Midwifes were not even allowed to attend home births. I looked up the Quiveruill movement the other day, and a lot of the Quiverfulls give birth at home.

I know now , she is high risk, considering her age and extreme multiparity. I cannot understand how her uterus doesn't fall out with the birth. My mothers fell out after having 4 kids.

I had a planned home birth after two hospital births. Barring a high risk pregnancy, I would never give birth in a hospital setting again. I don't care what the statistics are.

Originally Posted by pearlleemay I am not too keen about lay midwives delivering babies at home. My old room mate who lived in England and was a certified Nurse Midwife , went to a lay Midwife birth of one of her friends. She observed the delivery and said the lay Midwife did not even know how many veins and arteries were suppose to be in the umbilical cord. There was one of each. That can signify that the baby has other problems. Anyway, nothing was even said to the mother about the missing artery. Also, my sister had to donate blood in Aspen in the 1970s when someone lost a tremendous amount of blood and needed blood donors from the community after hemorrhaging during a home birth. I know my own daughter would have been in some serious trouble if I had her at home . The birth went fine and I needed no interventions(although I was considered high risk), but she had a segment of dead bowel and got progressively sicker as time went on for about 2 days before she was rushed to surgery. What if I had been left alone with her? It could have been disastrous. On the second night after she was born , her belly got more and more distended and I might not have noticed that. I think about that all the time when I hear about home births. I do think having a home birth with a certified nurse midwife might be nice though if one is extremely healthy. It might cut down on hospital acquired infections etc.

Yeah, it seems like direct entry midwives are the problem, and that's what contributes to the much higher death rates at homebirths. Certified Nurse Midwives have extensive training and are better equipped to spot trouble and deal with emergencies, as opposed to DEMs who have the high death rates.