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Godzilla in Pa October 9th, 2011 5:25pm

Do the 99ers/ Occupy Wall Streeters represent you?
 
Do they really represent 99% of America?

Porkchop October 9th, 2011 6:02pm

They represent those who feel entitled to a job and other peoples money, so no, they don't represent me

But the liberals here may be a different story :-)

sascha_b October 9th, 2011 6:23pm

Absolutely. Corporate money has wrested control of our elected officials, and if at least 99% of our society can’t see that, then we’re totally screwed.

As for AsChop's premise, I believe he misunderstands the movement, or watches too much FauxNews. Although students and those without jobs became some of the first and most active participants, its position isn't that narrow. If you believe this is simply about unemployment, you are sadly mistaken.

People are working 20% more for 20% less pay while CEO salaries are being paid up to 400% more. As taxpayers we are paying for the gambling losses of Wall Street, while they are using that money as political "voice" that goes against our interests. Citizens United was the final straw for many. If you believe that corporations are people, then be proud to consider yourself a minority.
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"'We are the 99 percent' is a clear message. It is unfair and in fact disgusting that the American political economy is run for the benefit of a plutocracy. I don't see how that can be misunderstood." ~ Todd Gitlin

KISSaholic4life October 9th, 2011 6:28pm

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Originally Posted by Porkchop (Post 10158595)
They represent those who feel entitled to a job and other peoples money, so no, they don't represent me

But the liberals here may be a different story :-)



Your ignorance and/or stupidity shines thru once again!

Aisling October 9th, 2011 7:11pm

http://currydemocrats.org/in_perspec...hart_650px.jpg


They are representing the 99% of the nation who doesn't control the majority of the wealth. We're aware that many of the 99% don't share their goals, but they're still representing us all. (I seriously doubt anyone hanging out at OLS is part of the 1% and am absolutely certain Porkchop is not.)

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In 2007, the share of after-tax income going to the top 1 percent hit its highest level (17.1 percent) since 1979, while the share going to the middle one-fifth of Americans shrank to its lowest level during this period (14.1 percent).

Between 1979 and 2007, average after-tax incomes for the top 1 percent rose by 281 percent after adjusting for inflation — an increase in income of $973,100 per household — compared to increases of 25 percent ($11,200 per household) for the middle fifth of households and 16 percent ($2,400 per household) for the bottom fifth.

If all groups’ after-tax incomes had grown at the same percentage rate over the 1979-2007 period, middle-income households would have received an additional $13,042 in 2007 and families in the bottom fifth would have received an additional $6,010.

In 2007, the average household in the top 1 percent had an income of $1.3 million, up $88,800 just from the prior year; this $88,800 gain is well above the total 2007 income of the average middle-income household ($55,300).
http://currydemocrats.org/in_perspec...rican_pie.html

aila October 9th, 2011 7:14pm

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Originally Posted by Porkchop (Post 10158595)
They represent those who feel entitled to a job and other peoples money, so no, they don't represent me

But the liberals here may be a different story :-)

for your information, not only are there democrats protesting, but let it be known that there are republicans and tea partiers protesting as well. if you watch the news and watch the interviews you should know this.

is narrowmindness an excuse for ignorance?

ppammela October 9th, 2011 10:09pm

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Originally Posted by sascha_b (Post 10158617)
Absolutely. Corporate money has wrested control of our elected officials, and if at least 99% of our society can’t see that, then we’re totally screwed.

As for AsChop's premise, I believe he misunderstands the movement, or watches too much FauxNews. Although students and those without jobs became some of the first and most active participants, its position isn't that narrow. If you believe this is simply about unemployment, you are sadly mistaken.

People are working 20% more for 20% less pay while CEO salaries are being paid up to 400% more. As taxpayers we are paying for the gambling losses of Wall Street, while they are using that money as political "voice" that goes against our interests. Citizens United was the final straw for many. If you believe that corporations are people, then be proud to consider yourself a minority.

It is extremely clear from aschops/aheddens comments neither have the slightest clue what the protests are about.

ppammela October 9th, 2011 10:12pm

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Originally Posted by aila (Post 10158661)
for your information, not only are there democrats protesting, but let it be known that there are republicans and tea partiers protesting as well. if you watch the news and watch the interviews you should know this.

is narrowmindness an excuse for ignorance?

Right there is the problem. They listen or watch long enough to pick up on some talking point (which is usually wrong) and then they make sweeping generalizations based on that. You will never see people like asschop/ahedden actually watch a news segment or an interview which explains what is really going on, that would mean they are possibly wrong. Denial and ignorance are much better.

Porkchop October 9th, 2011 10:53pm

Can't wait for Occupy Detroit
 
http://www.detnews.com/article/20111...08/Column--Can

This about sums them up...A freak show of misfits and socialists/communists, with some hippie's...America's finest!

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I can't wait for the menagerie of malcontents who call themselves Occupy Wall Street to arrive in Detroit and other mainstream American cities.

It will be good for real Americans to get a look at the folks President Barack Obama says represent their frustration with the condition of the country.


The protest movement that started in New York's financial district several weeks ago with a couple hundred enthusiastic and unfocused shouters has grown to a few thousand, and now is vowing to take its show on the road.

They're expected in Detroit near month's end.

Occupy Wall Street's main objective, from what I can make out from the inchoate signage, is the destruction of capitalism (a goal to which Obama can relate), although on a whim they can switch to global warming, medical marijuana or any number of other pet causes dear to the disaffected Left.

Clearly, they're angry with America, resent its founding values and would like to see the fat cats who run the place boiled in oil.

Or at least that's what they're Twittering.

Obama, asked about the budding movement last week, said he "sympathized" with Occupy Wall Street — not surprising, since they share a donor base.

And he opined that they are speaking for the great body of Americans who resent that some people have nice stuff and others don't, and are counting on him to play Robin Hood.

It's odd that such a small and predictable group could grab the president's attention.

He didn't seem to hear anything of value when tens of thousands of tea partiers were pouring into the streets to protest exploding deficits and Washington's fiscal recklessness.

He certainly didn't sympathize with those Americans. Nor did he accept that they represented the country's broader discontent.

And while the president and his media horde heard every whisper from a tea party rally that sounded like a threat or suggested racist undertones, they seem blissfully ignorant of the vicious and hateful side of Occupy Wall Street.

This is far from a peaceful protest. Cops in New York are arresting the increasingly violent activists by the hundreds.

Videos have caught incidents of Jewish passers-by being taunted by the protesters — of course, it's a quick step from attacking financial institutions to indulging anti-Semitism.

State lawmakers in New York have received emails reportedly connected to Occupy Wall Street containing this cheery call to action: "It's time to kill the wealthy."

I haven't taken a poll, but my hunch is more Americans relate to "cut the spending" than to "kill the wealthy."

That's why I'm eager to see this freak show arrive in Detroit.

It'll be informative for voters to compare the American protesters Barack Obama sympathizes with to those he despises.

retrobruce October 9th, 2011 11:20pm

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Originally Posted by Aisling (Post 10158658)
They are representing the 99% of the nation who doesn't control the majority of the wealth.

It's sad that your post shows a graph about wealth, while everything else you posted was about income.

If you don't understand that they are very different things, why do you bother posting?

AnnaMolly October 9th, 2011 11:52pm

Yes.

annulla October 10th, 2011 12:22am

No. I'd never say that someone "represents" me unless I understood what they were all about. I don't understand anything about the Occupy Wall Streeters.

I have no idea what they hope to achieve, and although I've asked quite a few people, no one has bothered to explain it to me.

The only response I ever get is a long list of things they don't like. Nothing about what they want to do to replace the things that displease them.

Godzilla in Pa October 10th, 2011 1:18am

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Originally Posted by annulla (Post 10158953)
No. I'd never say that someone "represents" me unless I understood what they were all about. I don't understand anything about the Occupy Wall Streeters.

I have no idea what they hope to achieve, and although I've asked quite a few people, no one has bothered to explain it to me.

The only response I ever get is a long list of things they don't like. Nothing about what they want to do to replace the things that displease them.

This is the best reply so far.

godan October 10th, 2011 1:23am

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Originally Posted by retrobruce (Post 10158924)
It's sad that your post shows a graph about wealth, while everything else you posted was about income.

If you don't understand that they are very different things, why do you bother posting?


So here this is (again) Bruce, 88% of the income from the recovery went to the corporations, only 1% went to workers. That's why that wealth chart is so skewed towards the top, the top got most of the income yet they get away with paying less taxes than the working man because of all the loopholes.

http://www.alternet.org/newsandviews..._1_to_workers/

hppy28 October 10th, 2011 1:53am

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Originally Posted by Godzilla in Pa (Post 10158558)
Do they really represent 99% of America?


No. I don't think 99% of Americans would dare claim they are represented by those who crap on cars, attack cops, or engage in anti-Semitic rants.

No doubt, there are many that are hurting in these tough economic times, but I believe the majority of Americans wouldn't want to be represented by what appears to be a misguided group of people.


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