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cappyone
February 6th, 2008, 8:29am
Just read eprize program for catching cheaters. My question is about "de-duping". It looks as if you can be "filtered out" if more than one person in your household enters. This could happen even if it is within the rules that entries can be "per person". I realize that eprize informs you if you are blacklisted (at least they say they do). But....if you are being "filtered" you may not know that and will still be able to enter Instants but may not win because the filter doesn't allow a win at your address. It may be applied sporadically. Sounds paranoid, I know. My question is...do you think it is probable that the "de-duping" filter may be blocking wins and that you could still enter the instants as usual? I'm sure that eprize doesn't want to deal with people claiming that they are unjustly being filtered. Below is a blurb about their process. I wrote to eprize recently about their policy and wondering if I was on some kind of list. I don't cheat but had not won in many months which was not the norm. I explained that the only people using this address was my husband and myself and boldly gave them both addresses. No response from eprize. Then...the very next day I won an ipod on an instant. Could be coincidence but I'm talking months of no wins and then suddenly. Hmmmm?

1) Address Verification - This process verifies mailing addresses against
the U.S. Postal Service database.
2) Image Security - This tool asks the entrant to verify text from a
random image on the screen to advance further within the promotion, a
technique that blocks bots from submitting entries.
3) IP Blocking - A Web page informs the player that his or her IP address
has been associated with previous fraudulent activities and shuts the player
completely out of any ePrize promotion.
4) De-duper - People who try to enter multiple individuals under the same
address can be filtered out if some of the information they provide matches
that of another registered profile.
5) Blacklist - This global master list compiled by ePrize records previous
fraudulent offenders and prevents them from entering future promotions for any
ePrize clients.

sascha_b
February 6th, 2008, 8:36am
I was just mulling this over last night.

Both my husband I enter through the same computer but have different emails. I haven't won an ePrize IWG for many, many weeks. With some of them having a gazillion prizes this is odd to me as I enter daily. I too, hate to be paranoid, but I'm thinking I'm on "the filter list".

I have no problem with "one per household". I just think it's unfair to allow one per email addy in the rules, and be blocked because you have two people in the household playing. It's not like I have 4 or 5.....

I'm going to stew on this for awhile...but I'm not as excited to sweep in the morning like I was before.....
:nono:

lakegirl25
February 6th, 2008, 8:45am
and I have been entering their sweeps for years.

I also never, ever cheat. Only enter myself at my address with one email addy.

I just cannot believe I have not even won a mug from them. I wish I knew if there was some sort of problem with me because quite frankly I am paranoid since I have never won from them nor received any emails.

Anyone else experience no wins for 4 years from ePrize?:nono:

bemiss
February 6th, 2008, 8:50am
it's been some years ago..but i've heard of eprize banning people for entering 2 people in the same household although it stated per email in the rules. The people who were banned were told when they entered the instant if i recall it correctly. i don't think they were banned forever though..but eprize let them know. Like i said it's been a few years since i've seen that though. I'm far to paranoid to enter anyone but myself!!

jellosheriff
February 6th, 2008, 9:09am
I remember someone posting once that eprize told them that they could enter on behalf of someone else if they had that person's express permission. Maybe the de-duper thing is more for the people who vary their own name (along with names in their household) to mega-enter?

I would think that if the rules state once per person, they can't really DQ you if more than one person in your household enters. (Just because they say they can filter this way- doesn't mean they use it for every sweep they run.) Still, it wouldn't hurt to play it safe and have only one person enter.

Personally, I don't think your odds are that much better if you enter more than just yourself anyway.

Jboy74
February 6th, 2008, 9:24am
I think a few of us should e-mail them as ask about the "DQ List" I think the list is a good idea but it should be fair and not DQ someone for following the rules. We should e-mail them and ask about it. I think we should let them know that alot of sweepers enter their contest not knowing they are on the dq list. It would be benificial for e-prize and lower bandwith , and server traffic if they let the sweepers know they are on the list. This would also save our time from entering the 100s of eprize sweeps out there. I have been sweeping for a year or so and have never won an e-prize sweep. If someone here can type up a letter that would show e-prize it is in theirs as well as our best interest to make it known to the people on the list then paste it here we can send it out to e-prize.

carscheles
February 6th, 2008, 9:40am
I'm going to have to go out on a limb here. This subject comes up way too much to just ignore. I don't think it's just paranoia, I think something truly is going on.

Person A isn't being [choose your word] (filtered, DQ'd, put on temporary hold, whatever) and wins at least one ePrize sweep per week on average. Person A enters the sweeps that has 10,000+ prizes and wins multiple times.

Person B is being [your word here] and they can't even win an ePrize sweeps that has 10,000+ prizes. They have noticed a dramatic decline in their wins - went from being a person A and winning weekly to a person B not winning at all (for quite some time).

I really think that ePrize has more to this filtering system than meets they eye. And I agree, to tell people that they're being filtered for something would mean that ePrize would have to look into disputes. Isn't it much easier on ePrize to let their software do the work and filter people?

I really believe something is up.

sascha_b
February 6th, 2008, 9:56am
I don't win multiples, but since being here in June I've probably averaged a small ePrize win every other week if they had a a ton of prizes. I play daily, and like another wise poster said: you fling enough poop, something's got to stick!:toss:


I truly had a bad feeling when I entered that "vague" ePrize sweep awhile back. The one that folks noticed in the notes that it didn't have a sponsor connection besides ePrize...

THings that make you go HMMMMM.........

secular
February 6th, 2008, 10:24am
I remember someone posting once that eprize told them that they could enter on behalf of someone else if they had that person's express permission. Maybe the de-duper thing is more for the people who vary their own name (along with names in their household) to mega-enter?

I would think that if the rules state once per person, they can't really DQ you if more than one person in your household enters. (Just because they say they can filter this way- doesn't mean they use it for every sweep they run.) Still, it wouldn't hurt to play it safe and have only one person enter.

Personally, I don't think your odds are that much better if you enter more than just yourself anyway.


Pambanter said that.

djr58
February 6th, 2008, 10:40am
I enter for myself only and on rare occasions my daughter (not a very active non-green OLS member) will enter for herself. I caution her to only enter those that say one per person/email so as to not DQ me from something I've entered.

That being said, I used to win from ePrize all the time, but in the last several months it's been like pulling teeth. It's gotten to the point where I just sigh heavily when a new sweep is posted and it turns out that ePrize is handling it.

I would definitely like to know if they are using some kind of filtering system to "weed" people out of wins. As long as we sweepers follow the rules of the contest, something of this nature should not be used. And I'm saying this for everyone's sake, not just mine.

Maybe I'll tell DD not to enter anything for awhile and see if that makes a difference.
I know there is also a lot more competition out there these days, but filtering on top of that could really create some long dry spells!!

nettester
February 6th, 2008, 10:52am
Well, I don't enter eprize sweeps for anyone else at all, including those in my household, BUT I do enter SO many eprize sweeps on a daily basis. I'm often paranoid that some big main eprize filtering system will recognize and frown upon me as a "frequent flyer," though I always follow the rules carefully. My eprize wins have been down from past years. Still, it a few years ago I was getting really paranoid about this, and then I won a few things again from them. So who knows, really.

djr58
February 6th, 2008, 10:56am
Oh, I also want to add that I do win other IWG that are not handled by eprize.
The recently expired Rachael Ray contest is a good example - I won four times.

On a IWG with numerous prizes and handled by eprize, I'm shocked when I get a win because it's rare or it doesn't happen at all.

bomar97
February 6th, 2008, 11:02am
For some of us it doesn't matter if it's e-prize or not.. we just aren't lucky..

I have never won more than once from a sweeps that allowed multiple wins..

My thought is that the computer has a jinx on it.. Good thought!!

I don't really look to see which ones are done by e-prize to know if I've ever won through them.. maybe I should look from now on.. I know I don't win the caffeine.

Alimar
February 6th, 2008, 11:09am
I am sure I'm on some do-not-win list from ePrize, because I didn't win from them in 8 months while living in Florida, then as soon as I moved back to Texas I started winning from them again and won several times. Then I got a new computer Nov. 2 and haven't won from them again since!

Actually, I thought it might have to do with the Vista security settings on my new computer because Vista keeps me out of so many things...it has really heavy-handed security. Maybe it blocks some info ePrize wants to see... when I was in Florida I was using Norton Security and I started winning regularly as soon as I stopped using it.

But I have won some other instant wins, just not ePrize, and they run half of everything lately! I was horrified to find out they are running Disney and Warner Bros. sweeps now, becuase I've won a lot from Disney & WB in the past but I don't think I will with ePrize in charge!

On the other hand, there are lots of other instants with many, many prizes that I haven't won from either, despite entering daily. Someone mentioned above winning 4 times from the Rachel Ray sweep recently...that one had 20,000 prizes and I played daily and never won (not ePrize).

P.S. The de-duping thing could be my problem... Normally I am the only one who enters, but there was a Saturn sweep recently my husband and I both very much wanted to win since we really needed a car, so he and I both entered that one (me daily, him sporadically). We have different computers but would have had the same IP address, and of course the same mailing address. But it said one entry per day per person/e-mail so it doesn't seem fair if they'd DQ me from all other sweeps for that!

tkelliott
February 6th, 2008, 11:45am
[QUOTE=Alimar;7032396]I am sure I'm on some do-not-win list from ePrize, because I didn't win from them in 8 months while living in Florida, then as soon as I moved back to Texas I started winning from them again and won several times. Then I got a new computer Nov. 2 and haven't won from them again since!

FYI - I've noticed that FL is not permitted in A LOT of sweeps, maybe that was your problem?
No idea about the new computer deal - different IP Address maybe...

fastfreddie1959
February 6th, 2008, 11:49am
ePrize Launches First System to Block Fraudulent Entries in Online Marketing Promotions...

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=109&STORY=/www/story/03-28-2005/0003285725&EDATE=

pambanter
February 6th, 2008, 12:01pm
Just email them and ask. I had to ask the question about 17 times before they got it. Or before they wanted to answer it, I guess. Because they kept referring me back to the rules.

So, perhaps you guys should get together and write one good, concise, email asking all of your questions about entering for other people and filtering software and whatever else, and then direct it to the highest person you can reach at ePrize for an official answer.

I win regularly from ePrize, as does my foster son who lives in the same house.

margarita_mama
February 6th, 2008, 12:01pm
For those that are sending/wanting to send an inquiry to ePrize....there have been numerous discussions about this in these forums. ePrize will never come out and give a blanket answer to that question. It has been asked of them repeatedly, and their response is always to read and follow the rules for each specific sweep.
And for the person who suggested that ePrize make it "public" of who they are supposedly blacklisting....I would not count on that to ever happen, either. Can you imagine the uproar that such a public list would create? I just don't think ePrize would care to play into that kind of hysteria.

kav
February 6th, 2008, 12:02pm
I don't think they are DQ'ing a husband and wife entering at the same address. I think what they are trying to weed out is a person entering 10 different names at the same address.

cappyone
February 6th, 2008, 12:12pm
I don't think they are DQ'ing a husband and wife entering at the same address. I think what they are trying to weed out is a person entering 10 different names at the same address.

Yes, I'm sure that is the intention. Or...I think it is. Sometimes I think it is directed at people who sweep a lot. I remember that someone on OLS said they knew someone who worked for eprize and referred to sweepers as sweep hos. Intentions are one thing, the reality is another. Computers will filter whomever (right or wrong) based on the programmer's design.

cappyone
February 6th, 2008, 12:13pm
and I have been entering their sweeps for years.

I also never, ever cheat. Only enter myself at my address with one email addy.

I just cannot believe I have not even won a mug from them. I wish I knew if there was some sort of problem with me because quite frankly I am paranoid since I have never won from them nor received any emails.

Anyone else experience no wins for 4 years from ePrize?:nono:

That is remarkable since you say that you enter regularly. Wishing you luck!!

cappyone
February 6th, 2008, 12:17pm
it's been some years ago..but i've heard of eprize banning people for entering 2 people in the same household although it stated per email in the rules. The people who were banned were told when they entered the instant if i recall it correctly. i don't think they were banned forever though..but eprize let them know. Like i said it's been a few years since i've seen that though. I'm far to paranoid to enter anyone but myself!!

I have my own email addy and my husband has his own addy. He always enters through his profile and I enter through mine. We both have separate memberships to OLS. We keep all of this very separate and follow the rules. We both used to win regularly but haven't for months now. It seemed to be very abrupt too. Just stopped. It was quite remarkable. I do believe that something is up.

djr58
February 6th, 2008, 12:21pm
I am sure I'm on some do-not-win list from ePrize, because I didn't win from them in 8 months while living in Florida, then as soon as I moved back to Texas I started winning from them again and won several times. Then I got a new computer Nov. 2 and haven't won from them again since!

I live in Florida, but a little over a year ago I moved to a different city. I started entering sweeps again right away and for three solid weeks I was winning something pretty much every day -- it was wild! But then, just as quickly as the win streak started it trickled down to several a month, which is where I'm at right now.

That's why I'm convinced IP addresses are involved in some kind of filtering or other process to weed out people who win a lot. In a nutshell, when I moved I got a new IP address. I'd be willing to bet that if I moved again (not that I would just to experiment with this *LOL*) the same thing would happen.

I know some people do still win a lot and they are very lucky indeed! :)

cappyone
February 6th, 2008, 12:22pm
I remember someone posting once that eprize told them that they could enter on behalf of someone else if they had that person's express permission. Maybe the de-duper thing is more for the people who vary their own name (along with names in their household) to mega-enter?

I would think that if the rules state once per person, they can't really DQ you if more than one person in your household enters. (Just because they say they can filter this way- doesn't mean they use it for every sweep they run.) Still, it wouldn't hurt to play it safe and have only one person enter.

Personally, I don't think your odds are that much better if you enter more than just yourself anyway.

I don't think that eprize is dq-ing for this. I would think that would be unethical. I do believe that they are filtering though so you can enter the sweep but forget winning an instant prize. I have had "congratulations" come up in the url several times followed by the "sorry" screen. Never used to have this happen at all. AND...what are your shots at winning the grand prize???? So, in effect, they are shutting you out without "officially" dq-ing.

mad410s
February 6th, 2008, 12:29pm
For instance the family (husband and wife) has just one email address. It is my household@aol.com.

When eprize sweep has a "female" related sponsor such as a magazine or TV network geared to women - she enters daily as Jan Doe 123 Main St with the email address household@aol.com. "He" never enters this sweep.

Concurrently, eprize has an unrelated sweep geared towards men. He enters as John Doe 123 Main St. with the email address house@aol.com. "She" never enters this sweep.

Do you think that eprize is filtering out both of these entries?

cappyone
February 6th, 2008, 12:33pm
I don't win multiples, but since being here in June I've probably averaged a small ePrize win every other week if they had a a ton of prizes. I play daily, and like another wise poster said: you fling enough poop, something's got to stick!:toss:


I truly had a bad feeling when I entered that "vague" ePrize sweep awhile back. The one that folks noticed in the notes that it didn't have a sponsor connection besides ePrize...

THings that make you go HMMMMM.........

Yes, if you are a daily player, it beats the hell out of the odds that you wouldn't win anything in many, many months. This includes sweeps with many thousands of prizes that don't allow multiple wins (Rachel Ray's recent one, for example). It is difficult for me to believe that the amount of sweepers shot up that much. This has been going on for a little over a year now and it started abruptly. I have been researching this for some time. Difficult to find answers. I have played at all times of the day. Many times in the wee hours. I can win from other sweeps administered by other JAs like Softcoin. The problem with that is that eprize is becoming the only game in town. In my opinion, eprize is not playing fair and disrespecting consumers/clients just because they are "sweepers". More security for the games is great if it is administered fairly. I welcomed this beef-upped security because I had read about many cheaters and thought that it would improve the odds of winning fairly. I think a lot of people have been caught in the dragnet who simply shouldn't be.

sascha_b
February 6th, 2008, 12:34pm
For instance the family (husband and wife) has just one email address. It is my household@aol.com.

When eprize sweep has a "female" related sponsor such as a magazine or TV network geared to women - she enters daily as Jan Doe 123 Main St with the email address household@aol.com. "He" never enters this sweep.

Concurrently, eprize has an unrelated sweep geared towards men. He enters as John Doe 123 Main St. with the email address house@aol.com. "She" never enters this sweep.

Do you think that eprize is filtering out both of these entries?
I don't think so. You should be fine.

sascha_b
February 6th, 2008, 12:38pm
In my opinion, eprize is not playing fair and disrespecting consumers/clients just because they are "sweepers". More security for the games is great if it is administered fairly. I welcomed this beef-upped security because I had read about many cheaters and thought that it would improve the odds of winning fairly. I think a lot of people have been caught in the dragnet who simply shouldn't be.
I agree. I can play fair, and if they only want one per household entry, I'm game. Have no problems with rules, just dislike murkiness..

Just let me start over with a clean slate without having to change my email (which I've had since I found the Internet, by the way!).

Eprize is making money off my visits, I just want my chance in return.

cappyone
February 6th, 2008, 12:38pm
For some of us it doesn't matter if it's e-prize or not.. we just aren't lucky..

I have never won more than once from a sweeps that allowed multiple wins..

My thought is that the computer has a jinx on it.. Good thought!!

I don't really look to see which ones are done by e-prize to know if I've ever won through them.. maybe I should look from now on.. I know I don't win the caffeine.

I went through all of the instants a few months ago and did a spreadsheet on the JAs administering and the amount of prizes over the duration of the sweep. What I had intuited was correct. The only sweeps I was winning were those not administered by eprize. That knocks out a lot of sweeps. AND...why could I sometimes win from the other JAs and never eprize? Coincidence? Hmmmmmmmmm??

cappyone
February 6th, 2008, 12:46pm
I am sure I'm on some do-not-win list from ePrize, because I didn't win from them in 8 months while living in Florida, then as soon as I moved back to Texas I started winning from them again and won several times. Then I got a new computer Nov. 2 and haven't won from them again since!

Actually, I thought it might have to do with the Vista security settings on my new computer because Vista keeps me out of so many things...it has really heavy-handed security. Maybe it blocks some info ePrize wants to see... when I was in Florida I was using Norton Security and I started winning regularly as soon as I stopped using it.

But I have won some other instant wins, just not ePrize, and they run half of everything lately! I was horrified to find out they are running Disney and Warner Bros. sweeps now, becuase I've won a lot from Disney & WB in the past but I don't think I will with ePrize in charge!

On the other hand, there are lots of other instants with many, many prizes that I haven't won from either, despite entering daily. Someone mentioned above winning 4 times from the Rachel Ray sweep recently...that one had 20,000 prizes and I played daily and never won (not ePrize).

P.S. The de-duping thing could be my problem... Normally I am the only one who enters, but there was a Saturn sweep recently my husband and I both very much wanted to win since we really needed a car, so he and I both entered that one (me daily, him sporadically). We have different computers but would have had the same IP address, and of course the same mailing address. But it said one entry per day per person/e-mail so it doesn't seem fair if they'd DQ me from all other sweeps for that!

I have absolutely been all over my computer again and again to see if I may be blocking them in some way. Now I'm running full open accepting absolutely all cookies (including 3rd party, which I don't like). I know that eprize wants cookies enabled. I even went through and checked whether all of the eprize cookies were 1st party. Found that many are 3rd party so I thought that may be it. Nope. Allowing popups (which I don't like). I've tried taking my firewall down etc.. I've learned more about my computer than I ever wanted to know.

Tandan
February 6th, 2008, 12:48pm
Time to get Congress involved. :toss: - joking.

I gave in and wrote. Hopefully.. I'll hear something back or we sell the house sooner.

Jennifer
February 6th, 2008, 12:51pm
You know sometimes people go through dry spells. Why does everyone have to try and justify a dry spell by trying to figure out if they have been blacklisted by eprize? Trust me, the only way you have been blacklisted is if you have obviously been cheating. If you haven't cheated, you have nothing to worry about. My husband and I enter sweeps all the time and we both win... same IP address, same computer, same everything. Those rules are in place to catch the obvious cheaters. There are folks that register 30 people living at the same address, hoping to take advantage of the prizes that don't require affidavits and stuff.

If the rules state one per household, assume one person per household, based on physical address, not IP address (with the exception of per IP address rules). Otherwise, you and your other family members are free to enter the sweeps.

Nobody will ever get a clear answer from ePrize as to anything. Sometimes it's ok to accept that your luck has run out for a short period of time. A lot of people on OLS have a problem admitting that. Not everybody wins instants every single day, only those that are having superior luck do, and they are not the norm. I have two friends on OLS and it's been two months since either of them have captured a win. Yet, I win on average 4 times per month, whether it be something big or small. I don't think I am the norm. Those people who on average win something several times per week will stop winning at some point for a short period of time, and they will also pop on and create a thread wondering if they have all-of-a-sudden-for-no-reason become blacklisted.

The point is, nobody's luck is guaranteed and this is a game of chance... Some people have no luck at all and will never win. So the question I ask all of those who are worried.... is there a reason you are worried? Do you do something that may catch the eye of ePrize that is fishy? Otherwise I personally would have no reason to worry. Blacklisting would not stop you from winning an instant. You would win the instant and then they would let you know you're not getting your prize because you are being accused of cheating... that is how it has happened before on OLS.

cappyone
February 6th, 2008, 12:52pm
Where did you send the email you sent to?

Since my husband has started entering i havent won in over 8 months from eprize, i used to win something at least once a week... I want to contact them too.

I wrote to them asking courteous and direct questions about the process and never received a reply. I told them that I realize that their intention is to weed out cheating etc, etc.. They just won't respond to those types of questions. I'm sure that it must be company policy. Kettle of worms...
As for addys...I found a few for eprize and used all of them to try to contact anyone who could answer my questions. I did this repeatedly. I'm sure that they put those on the "pay no mind" list. At the very least I just wanted to know if it was a waste of time to try anymore. No answers anywhere.
You can find contact email addys by hitting the eprize site and looking at the rules in the sweeps administered by eprize. GOOD LUCK.

ffpmpeanut
February 6th, 2008, 12:55pm
how do you know what contests are eprize contests?

Jennifer
February 6th, 2008, 12:56pm
how do you know what contests are eprize contests?

Most of the instants are... if you look at the address bar of the sweeps when you are on the page it will be (for example) generalmills.eprize.net or something like that.

cappyone
February 6th, 2008, 1:02pm
how do you know what contests are eprize contests?

Usually you can see "eprize" as part of the url. However, sometimes it is not there. You can usually see the name of the JA in the rules or at the bottom of the page of the entry form sometimes.

cappyone
February 6th, 2008, 1:07pm
You know sometimes people go through dry spells. Why does everyone have to try and justify a dry spell by trying to figure out if they have been blacklisted by eprize? Trust me, the only way you have been blacklisted is if you have obviously been cheating. If you haven't cheated, you have nothing to worry about. My husband and I enter sweeps all the time and we both win... same IP address, same computer, same everything. Those rules are in place to catch the obvious cheaters. There are folks that register 30 people living at the same address, hoping to take advantage of the prizes that don't require affidavits and stuff.

If the rules state one per household, assume one person per household, based on physical address, not IP address (with the exception of per IP address rules). Otherwise, you and your other family members are free to enter the sweeps.

Nobody will ever get a clear answer from ePrize as to anything. Sometimes it's ok to accept that your luck has run out for a short period of time. A lot of people on OLS have a problem admitting that. Not everybody wins instants every single day, only those that are having superior luck do, and they are not the norm. I have two friends on OLS and it's been two months since either of them have captured a win. Yet, I win on average 4 times per month, whether it be something big or small. I don't think I am the norm. Those people who on average win something several times per week will stop winning at some point for a short period of time, and they will also pop on and create a thread wondering if they have all-of-a-sudden-for-no-reason become blacklisted.

The point is, nobody's luck is guaranteed and this is a game of chance... Some people have no luck at all and will never win. So the question I ask all of those who are worried.... is there a reason you are worried? Do you do something that may catch the eye of ePrize that is fishy? Otherwise I personally would have no reason to worry. Blacklisting would not stop you from winning an instant. You would win the instant and then they would let you know you're not getting your prize because you are being accused of cheating... that is how it has happened before on OLS.

With all due respect Jennifer...how long have you been sweeping? This is not a new problem as stated above by others. This is not a turn of luck. This is a long-time issue that many folks have been wondering about. As for myself and the "others"...we are not cheating. Most of us are probably overly-cautious at this point. We just have noticed a consistent pattern that has us wondering and voicing our concerns in this thread. Maybe you have been just lucky not to be caught in this web so far. We aren't talking about a couple of months dry spell. And, yes, many of us are used to dry spells of that duration.

djr58
February 6th, 2008, 1:07pm
My take on this is not from a cheating standpoint in my case because I simply refuse to cheat in order to win a prize, be it a beer coozie or a big ticket item.

My thoughts are more about people who sweep on a daily basis here - as many of us do - entering the same contests over and over again. Not the norm for people who aren't stalwart sweepers; they tend to enter a few times and then forget about it.

And also for those of us who win prizes on a regular basis. It is possible that a big JA like eprize could say, "Whoaaaa Nelly, this person wins too much!" and try to figure out a way to make it "more fair" in their eyes.

Hope this makes sense and I do think this is an interesting thread.
Even though the question has popped up many times, this is the first I've heard of the filtering idea.

sascha_b
February 6th, 2008, 1:14pm
The point is, nobody's luck is guaranteed and this is a game of chance... Some people have no luck at all and will never win. So the question I ask all of those who are worried.... is there a reason you are worried? Do you do something that may catch the eye of ePrize that is fishy? Otherwise I personally would have no reason to worry. Blacklisting would not stop you from winning an instant. You would win the instant and then they would let you know you're not getting your prize because you are being accused of cheating... that is how it has happened before on OLS.
You are absolutely right about luck, Jennifer.

I just think this is something folks are wondering about because it affects our hobby. The big topic in promotions these days is "how to catch the cheaters". Google it, and you'll find tons of seminars and articles for the field. Look what happened to the Logitech sweep. They said someone had gotten a gazillion Fandango tickets.

Eprize has improved their software that would screen for cheaters. That's a documented fact.
They no longer have to deal with people after the fact. Some of us are just wondering out loud if there are non-cheating things that might be getting some folks caught up in the software. Most of the conversation is revolving around this "de-duping" clause in their policy, which i think is much different than someone getting a "you're blacklisted" email (if there is such a thing...) because they've attempted to enter under a gazillion false emails/addresses/names.

For example, if Eprize had software that flagged me because I visited 20 ePrize sites in a 10 minute period that would affect how I sweep here. Whether I use Shazam or whether I tab out of bookmarks or whether I shouldn't. Wouldn't sweepers want to know what the "acceptable" way was according to Eprize?

And yes, my conscience is clear. I don't even have a separate sweeping email. If you could find me 8+ years ago by my email addy, you can find me the same way now.

cappyone
February 6th, 2008, 1:19pm
My take on this is not from a cheating standpoint in my case, because I simply refuse to cheat in order to win a prize, be it a beer coozie or a big ticket item.

My thoughts are more about people who sweep on a daily basis here - as many of us do - entering the same contests over and over again. Not the norm for people who aren't sweeps; they tend to enter a few times and then forget about it.

And also for those of us who win prizes on a regular basis. It is possible that a big JA like eprize could say, "Whoaaaa Nelly, this person wins too much!" and try to figure out a way to make it "more fair" in their eyes.

Hope this makes sense and I do think this is an interesting thread.
Even though the question has popped up many times, this is the first I've heard of the filtering idea.

I too have thought of the "winning perspective" through eprize eyes. I could see if people were cheating to win as being a "whoa Nelly" and if they were outrageously winning several times a week. My husband and I don't fit either one of those. Also, is it fair to run a sweep and say "Oh, you've won a couple of times this month from other sweeps. You are out of this." Filtering people out is just not ethical unless they are cheating. I want those people out, blacklisted or whatever it takes. I just want to know whether they are running the sweeps fairly for those who are following the rules. I know there are folks who enter for the dh, the kids, other relatives...I don't know. Sometimes I will see the same names turning up again and again and wonder how that can happen. I don't think that there is any stopping this although it is annoying. Rules are rules though. I will play fair...Will eprize?

cappyone
February 6th, 2008, 1:31pm
You are absolutely right about luck, Jennifer.

I just think this is something folks are wondering about because it affects our hobby. The big topic in promotions these days is "how to catch the cheaters". Google it, and you'll find tons of seminars and articles for the field. Look what happened to the Logitech sweep. They said someone had gotten a gazillion Fandango tickets.

Eprize has improved their software that would screen for cheaters. That's a documented fact.
They no longer have to deal with people after the fact. Some of us are just wondering out loud if there are non-cheating things that might be getting some folks caught up in the software. Most of the conversation is revolving around this "de-duping" clause in their policy, which i think is much different than someone getting a "you're blacklisted" email (if there is such a thing...) because they've attempted to enter under a gazillion false emails/addresses/names.

For example, if Eprize had software that flagged me because I visited 20 ePrize sites in a 10 minute period that would affect how I sweep here. Whether I use Shazam or whether I tab out of bookmarks or whether I shouldn't. Wouldn't sweepers want to know what the "acceptable" way was according to Eprize?

And yes, my conscience is clear. I don't even have a separate sweeping email. If you could find me 8+ years ago by my email addy, you can find me the same way now.

I have thought about Shazam a lot in eprize terms. I'm afraid to use it because I'm afraid that would further exacerbate the problem. I agree with you wholeheartedly that the "need to know" is there for sweepers. That is the bottom-line concern of this thread. I just have this nasty little nagging thought in my head that it is a complete waste of time anymore and that eprize is sitting back laughing their behinds off and feeling smug as they glean all kinds of information from the daily sweepers through their surveys, questions and collection of personal information. Where does it go? I agree with fastfreddie on this one. Out of sight out of mind. OOPS!!! Sure it's a choice to continue to sweep. What I would like to see is an "informed choice" that means eprize honestly telling us.

Jennifer
February 6th, 2008, 1:31pm
With all due respect Jennifer...how long have you been sweeping? This is not a new problem as stated above by others. This is not a turn of luck. This is a long-time issue that many folks have been wondering about. As for myself and the "others"...we are not cheating. Most of us are probably overly-cautious at this point. We just have noticed a consistent pattern that has us wondering and voicing our concerns in this thread. Maybe you have been just lucky not to be caught in this web so far. We aren't talking about a couple of months dry spell. And, yes, many of us are used to dry spells of that duration.

I have been a member of this site for 2 years, but have done online sweeping in some respect or another for about 5 years now.

It is entirely possible that you just aren't winning because other people are... it is possible. If you truly think you have been blacklisted for whatever reason, get creative in your name and address when registering. Stop sweeping with your current information. Change your email address, reverse some letters in your street name, use a first inital and last name when registering and use a 9 digit zip code. There are little things you can do to change your identity in their systems. Unfortunately, it is what the cheaters do to create multiple registrations, but if you think you are truly blacklisted, then it isn't going to hurt anything to experiment. IN some way or another we all have multiple registrations with eprize, for those of us that frequently change our email addresses or even move. It's not a universal system so I probably have like 5 or 6 different registrations with them throughout the years.

I have some problems with the whole blacklist theory in general for numerous reasons. If ePrize wanted to cut down on some fraud, I honestly think they should have one registration system universal to all of the sweeps they offer... you know so we can change our names, email addresses and phone numbers without the possibility of DQ'ing us from sweeps.

Jennifer
February 6th, 2008, 1:34pm
I have thought about Shazam a lot in eprize terms. I'm afraid to use it because I'm afraid that would further exacerbate the problem. I agree with you wholeheartedly that the "need to know" is there for sweepers. That is the bottom-line concern of this thread. I just have this nasty little nagging thought in my head that it is a complete waste of time anymore and that eprize is sitting back laughing their behinds off and feeling smug as they glean all kinds of information from the daily sweepers through their surveys, questions and collection of personal information. Where does it go? I agree with fastfreddie on this one. Out of sight out of mind. OOPS!!! Sure it's a choice to continue to sweep. What I would like to see is an "informed choice" that means eprize honestly telling us.

Ok, my problem with this shazam theory is that if this were true, thousands of people on OLS would not be winning. You are doing the same as everybody else... so why do other people win and you don't. I have been using Shazam for 2 years straight and I still win. I did go 6 months without a win once, but I didn't blame anybody or anything, I just sucked it up as a dry spell.

And like I said in my previous post, from past posts on OLS it seems that if you are DQ'ed from an instant, it happens after you already win an instant, so this cannot explain why you aren't winning instants. If I recall correctly, this happened as recently as last year, so I'm not sure about what software upgrade they have done to weed out cheaters.

Also, for those not winning, is it just ePrize or are you just down on your luck period? Sometimes I read people say they haven't won anything period in months, and some just say from ePrize.

cappyone
February 6th, 2008, 1:40pm
I have been a member of this site for 2 years, but have done online sweeping in some respect or another for about 5 years now.

It is entirely possible that you just aren't winning because other people are... it is possible. If you truly think you have been blacklisted for whatever reason, get creative in your name and address when registering. Stop sweeping with your current information. Change your email address, reverse some letters in your street name, use a first inital and last name when registering and use a 9 digit zip code. There are little things you can do to change your identity in their systems. Unfortunately, it is what the cheaters do to create multiple registrations, but if you think you are truly blacklisted, then it isn't going to hurt anything to experiment. IN some way or another we all have multiple registrations with eprize, for those of us that frequently change our email addresses or even move. It's not a universal system so I probably have like 5 or 6 different registrations with them throughout the years.

I have some problems with the whole blacklist theory in general for numerous reasons. If ePrize wanted to cut down on some fraud, I honestly think they should have one registration system universal to all of the sweeps they offer.

I don't change my personal information at all. It is always the same. That is, correct name, age, DOB, address, one email addy etc. I never said that I was blacklisted. they have an overt system for that. I have heard that there is a pop-up etc that comes onscreen. People have heard in other ways as well. I have checked on sites to see if I was blacklisted over these many months. I do not come up on any blacklist. My question was about "filtering". This is not defined in eprize terms. If I were blacklisted I would think that I wouldn't be able to play at all. It is the filtering that is the question. That being said, I do like the idea of one registration system that is universal. Sounds good but you never know how that could be abused until it's in play. Who knows?

Jennifer
February 6th, 2008, 1:44pm
I don't change my personal information at all. It is always the same. That is, correct name, age, DOB, address, one email addy etc. I never said that I was blacklisted. they have an overt system for that. I have heard that there is a pop-up etc that comes onscreen. People have heard in other ways as well. I have checked on sites to see if I was blacklisted over these many months. I do not come up on any blacklist. My question was about "filtering". This is not defined in eprize terms. If I were blacklisted I would think that I wouldn't be able to play at all. It is the filtering that is the question. That being said, I do like the idea of one registration system that is universal. Sounds good but you never know how that could be abused until it's in play. Who knows?

I wish it was universal, especially for those caffeine ones.

On certain sweeps (not eprize, but sometimes Spike ones) I have see a pop-up or message that says "you are not allowed to enter anymore". People took that message wrong and thought they were being DQ'ed, when simply it meant you already entered for that day.

I know there are people on OLS that have been DQ'ed before and have been notified in some way or another. I just wonder if those folks were blacklisted from other sweeps.

cappyone
February 6th, 2008, 1:48pm
Ok, my problem with this shazam theory is that if this were true, thousands of people on OLS would not be winning. You are doing the same as everybody else... so why do other people win and you don't. I have been using Shazam for 2 years straight and I still win. I did go 6 months without a win once, but I didn't blame anybody or anything, I just sucked it up as a dry spell.

And like I said in my previous post, from past posts on OLS it seems that if you are DQ'ed from an instant, it happens after you already win an instant, so this cannot explain why you aren't winning instants. If I recall correctly, this happened as recently as last year, so I'm not sure about what software upgrade they have done to weed out cheaters.

Also, for those not winning, is it just ePrize or are you just down on your luck period? Sometimes I read people say they haven't won anything period in months, and some just say from ePrize.

I don't understand what point you are trying to make here Jennifer. People are aware of dry spells and I'm not hearing anyone not taking that into consideration. I'm not "down on my luck" in any way. Just opening a discussion with folks who have noticed the same thing and have done a lot of research to back up their suspicions. We all know dry spells. We are not cheating. We are not "feeling guilty". We are discussing what filtering means to eprize and asking questions about how eprize operates. I'm sure that many have asked the same questions directly to eprize with no answers. That is like not giving everyone the complete picture where the rules are concerned.

Julianne530
February 6th, 2008, 1:52pm
Okay, I know for a FACT there is software out there that filters through IPs and computer IDs to keep people from doing such and such. A major company I personally know for instance has people beta test their products for them. But they only want you to do it ONE time for them and then they want different people each time. If you contact them through a different email addy and name, they still will not give you a chance...you are weeded. If you move however, and use a new email address on a new computer, you can test for them again even if you have the same name.

I can see the potential that sweeps companies might do the same if they think you are getting too many wins and that you are a as one person put it, "a sweep ho!"

Interesting, I will be waiting to hear how this turns out.

cappyone
February 6th, 2008, 1:54pm
I wish it was universal, especially for those caffeine ones.

On certain sweeps (not eprize, but sometimes Spike ones) I have see a pop-up or message that says "you are not allowed to enter anymore". People took that message wrong and thought they were being DQ'ed, when simply it meant you already entered for that day.

I know there are people on OLS that have been DQ'ed before and have been notified in some way or another. I just wonder if those folks were blacklisted from other sweeps.

At the beginning of this thread I posted some information from eprize about ways they were monitoring and blocking folks. The information in number 3 "IP blocking" says that you will be informed if you aren't allowed to play.

chestnutfall
February 6th, 2008, 1:57pm
I don't win, period.

At one point Fast Fredie had a thread about being blacklisted by eprize.
I was never able to figure out if I've been blacklisted or not?

I've been sweeping for years (I was an ols lurker for years before I joined and
did some snails before that)

I may use different emails depending on I think a contest will be a spam generator
or not.

But as far as eprize I bet I'm on some list. I figure that people may change emails
over time. So I just don't see the issue form my point of view if I enter abd-eprize
with one email address and then enter another abab-eprize different sweep using
a different address. I'm sure that eprize probably see him a male entering from
this email and hum a female entering from same address but for a different sweeps.??
Doesn't make sense to me, since they ask for your birthdate and an affy would
have to be verified.


Sometimes it is my Dh name (for men stuff or trips) and my name info. for
sweeps that are of interest for me. The only way DH and I enter the same
sweep is it there is a SNAIL ONLY sweep or only interested in entering by
way of snail and they say per person.

I do have a question someone mentioned that eprize verifies with the USPS
as to your address how do I know if my home address is what the USPS
has as correct?? I've had the same home address for several years.

So if someone here is planning of emailing eprize would they please ask
about spouses using the same email but only entering different emails.
Or someone using one email for a particular sweeps and using an different
email for other eprize sweeps?

Thanks for your help.

goodthunder
February 6th, 2008, 1:57pm
For what it's worth, I've been here for a while now, and I have won several times. Most were smaller wins, but a couple were bigger ones, like my (ePrize administered) trip to Hawaii for four people.

But I have NEVER won on an Instant. I finally quit even trying to waste my time on them for the past 3 months. I would have a hard time judging anything based on my experience with instants. :nono: Jan

cappyone
February 6th, 2008, 2:05pm
I don't win, period.

At one point Fast Fredie had a thread about being blacklisted by eprize.
I was never able to figure out if I've been blacklisted or not?

I've been sweeping for years (I was an ols lurker for years before I joined and
did some snails before that)

I may use different emails depending on I think a contest will be a spam generator
or not.

But as far as eprize I bet I'm on some list. I figure that people may change emails
over time. So I just don't see the issue form my point of view if I enter abd-eprize
with one email address and then enter another abab-eprize different sweep using
a different address. I'm sure that eprize probably see him a male entering from
this email and hum a female entering from same address but for a different sweeps.??
Doesn't make sense to me, since they ask for your birthdate and an affy would
have to be verified.


Sometimes it is my Dh name (for men stuff or trips) and my name info. for
sweeps that are of interest for me. The only way DH and I enter the same
sweep is it there is a SNAIL ONLY sweep or only interested in entering by
way of snail and they say per person.

I do have a question someone mentioned that eprize verifies with the USPS
as to your address how do I know if my home address is what the USPS
has as correct?? I've had the same home address for several years.

So if someone here is planning of emailing eprize would they please ask
about spouses using the same email but only entering different emails.
Or someone using one email for a particular sweeps and using an different
email for other eprize sweeps?

Thanks for your help.

I hit the USPS site to see if my address was on there. It was. I don't know what info that gives me though. Your questions are good ones and should be answered by eprize. Trouble is that, with any corporation, depends on whom you speak with and the "policies" are sometimes either not well-defined or handled differently by different folks. That is, if you can even get anyone to attempt an answer. eprize doesn't seem to want to go there.

nettester
February 6th, 2008, 2:09pm
And also for those of us who win prizes on a regular basis. It is possible that a big JA like eprize could say, "Whoaaaa Nelly, this person wins too much!" and try to figure out a way to make it "more fair" in their eyes.

Yep, I wonder about this, too. Or if they just say. "whoaaa, nelly, this person just entered 30 eprize sweeps in the same hour, they are an evil professional sweeper!" Does eprize track or frown upon people who enter or win frequently? I really, really hope not! They seem to have more and more great clients every day, and I do love their sweeps! I have to believe they are fair to everyone who plays by the rules.

denyse_g
February 6th, 2008, 2:14pm
I can't be as unlucky as I am when it comes to wins- not by the # I enter and hours spent online daily- I must be blacklisted too. I just wish I knew so I wouldn't waste my time entering those sweeps!

sascha_b
February 6th, 2008, 2:16pm
I don't win, period.

........

So if someone here is planning of emailing eprize would they please ask
about spouses using the same email but only entering different emails.
Or someone using one email for a particular sweeps and using an different
email for other eprize sweeps?

Thanks for your help.

I can't speak for ePrize, and I'm not an old timer, but when I got here I read alot of advice from experienced OLS'ers.

I came away with the understanding that you should have one email addy for yourself, and if anyone else is entering from your household they should use their own email addy. Otherwise it might appear that the same person is trying to enter with different names...

Which brings up another concern. How about someone who makes a mistake like this out of not understanding the rules? If in fact there is some DQ'ing or filtering, is there anyway for this person to rectify it with the JA?

Okay...I Know...I think to much...tends to get me in trouble.....:grin3:

rettak
February 6th, 2008, 2:30pm
all this gives me a headache,I have no problem winning with eprize my DH and I both enter and sometimes my DD who is over 21.I think one reason we don't have a problem is that it is clear we all live here meaning she has her own phone line,and all her bills come here.I don't cheat meaning if it says one time that's all I enter at least I don't think I've ever entered twice I'm sure it has happened forgot that I entered but not on purpose.I win quite often from eprize.

carscheles
February 6th, 2008, 2:54pm
When ever one of these posts comes up I always see somebody say, "if you didn't cheat, you have nothing to worry about". But how can you say that for sure? Unless you work for ePrize, I don't think you are privy to that information.

Then I hear, "if you were DQ'd, you'd know it". Well what if there is another level besides an absolute DQ? DQing somebody is easy for ePrize. They have evidence that you cheated and feel confident enough to come right out and tell you so.

Somewhere in between I believe there is another level of being disqualified. Let's use the term "filtered" out of sweepstakes. What if they filter randomly? They see a particular name or address on thier winners list too often. Or they can tell how many ePrize sweeps you entered in the past 10 minutes. So they decide to make the call that you may be a potential cheater and filter you out of their sweeps for a while. They feel it's legal because they published that they would be filtering out cheaters, yet at the same time on this level of DQing people, they don't notify you just in case they're wrong.

You cannot tell me it's paranioa. This has been brought up over and over and over again. I have been here for a very long time. Two times I have experienced a change in winning. The first time I gave up for over a year. When I came back, I was winning non-stop. The second time I moved and my wins increased tremendously. Now I'm in an 6 month long ePrize dry spell. Could it have anything to do with my DH winning a $50,000 prize through ePrize - roughly 6 months ago?

cappyone
February 6th, 2008, 3:19pm
[QUOTE=carscheles;7033191]When ever one of these posts comes up I always see somebody say, "if you didn't cheat, you have nothing to worry about". But how can you say that for sure? Unless you work for ePrize, I don't think you are privy to that information.

Then I hear, "if you were DQ'd, you'd know it". Well what if there is another level besides an absolute DQ? DQing somebody is easy for ePrize. They have evidence that you cheated and feel confident enough to come right out and tell you so.

Somewhere in between I believe there is another level of being disqualified. Let's use the term "filtered" out of sweepstakes. What if they filter randomly? They see a particular name or address on thier winners list too often. Or they can tell how many ePrize sweeps you entered in the past 10 minutes. So they decide to make the call that you may be a potential cheater and filter you out of their sweeps for a while. They feel it's legal because they published that they would be filtering out cheaters, yet at the same time on this level of DQing people, they don't notify you just in case they're wrong.

You cannot tell me it's paranioa. This has been brought up over and over and over again. I have been here for a very long time. Two times I have experienced a change in winning. The first time I gave up for over a year. When I came back, I was winning non-stop. The second time I moved and my wins increased tremendously. Now I'm in an 6 month long ePrize dry spell. Could it have anything to do with my DH winning a $50,000 prize through ePrize - roughly 6 months ago?[/QUO

WOW!!!!! and hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm????

djr58
February 6th, 2008, 3:39pm
You cannot tell me it's paranioa. This has been brought up over and over and over again. I have been here for a very long time. Two times I have experienced a change in winning. The first time I gave up for over a year. When I came back, I was winning non-stop. The second time I moved and my wins increased tremendously. Now I'm in an 6 month long ePrize dry spell. Could it have anything to do with my DH winning a $50,000 prize through ePrize - roughly 6 months ago?

Great post!
This helps cinch it for me about the moving and the winning streak that followed...and the slump I'm in now. It really makes sense that people who sweep/win a lot could be filtered out to what a JA considers a more respectable time frame.

It's really a question worth discussing.
Whether there will ever be an answer is a completely different ball game...

Globug_47
February 6th, 2008, 3:54pm
I have only won once or twice with EPrize since I have been a member here. It has gotten to the point that I truly believe that EPrize hates me and I crnige when I see that URL pop up that it's one of their sweeps.

I follow their rules and still don't win. I keep trying though and there are days when I ask myself why I even bother. :mad:

cappyone
February 6th, 2008, 3:56pm
Although I wouldn't like to see this happen...If eprize would just include in their rules that you can't have won an eprize sweep over a certain amount of money in the prior 6 months or so to be eligible to win on other instants. Nasty little rule but, if they are filtering like that anyway, at least we would know to not enter the instants if we had won a sizeable prize during that time. If they are shooting for "fairness" then that would be fair. They would not do that though because they like all the revenue those hits create.

cappyone
February 6th, 2008, 3:59pm
I have only won once or twice with EPrize since I have been a member here. It has gotten to the point that I truly believe that EPrize hates me and I crnige when I see that URL pop up that it's one of their sweeps.

I follow their rules and still don't win. I keep trying though and there are days when I ask myself why I even bother. :mad:

I have the "cringing at eprize url syndrome" also. Hate to see that. Just think "no way". Have even tried willing the "Congratulations" screen to pop up. Visualize it and it will happen. NOPE.

ely
February 6th, 2008, 4:16pm
I'm curious to know if some people's ePrize dry spells are partially due to being selective in what they enter? For example, there is a current WWE (non-premium) IWG from ePrize with over 2300 prizes over just a 3 week period. I wouldn't condone entering for prizes one's not interested in, but it'd be easier to win this than an IWG with only a small handful of prizes a day. Due to the prizes, a cell phone wallpaper or ringtone, there may be less entrants, too.

itspossible
February 6th, 2008, 4:19pm
I feel that over time companies using eprize have been more and more really meaning one entry per phone number when they say one per person.

I have felt that a time was coming when your identifying entry would move from your email to your phone number to curb entries. Something to think about. We may be feeling that transition.

carscheles
February 6th, 2008, 4:33pm
So besides blatent cheating where you're disqualified and you know it, my thoughts on how/why they may be "filtering" people out of sweepstakes.

They see your name come up a lot on their winners lists. This might be especially true if you have an unusual name that stands out.

They see your address or phone number come up a lot.

You won a large valued prize.

Your IP address comes up a lot - I'm not a computer whiz but doesn't AOL share their IP addresses? Since I have AOL, my IP address could be blocked without me even knowing it?

You entered xx amount of ePrize sweepstakes in a given period of time. This flagged you as a potential automated entry.

All of the above combinations - they decide if you fall into all of the above, that they will filter you out.

So what do you do if you think you're being filtered out? Maybe do a test on a different pc with a different IP address? Or try a different email address, but that could trigger you as a cheater too. Maybe ask a relative if you can borrow them for a test and try entering under your relatives name and address to see if they win. I don't know the answer. I know it's not fun going from winning a whole lot to nothing - that's for sure!

nemabema
February 6th, 2008, 4:42pm
http://www.eprize.com/privacy/privacypolicy.html

BentonWesley
February 6th, 2008, 4:46pm
One thing I've noticed hasn't been taken into consideration is that there are more people participating in the sweeps/instant win games. Sure, you may have won all the time years ago, but there are probably 2 or 3 times more people playing today than there were 2, 3 or 5 years ago. We all know the instants are time based. Well, if you have 15,000 or more people playing around the winning time, the odds aren't great that you'll win. it's possible, but don't expect to hit it every time.

AnahsSkcor
February 6th, 2008, 4:47pm
Oh also i forgot to mention i have won several other instants in the last couple weeks that were NOT eprize.

I emailed them we will see what happens hopefully i will be like you and win tomorrow hey a ipod would be nice LOL

djr58
February 6th, 2008, 4:55pm
http://www.eprize.com/privacy/privacypolicy.html

Just read thier policy.

"Your IP address may also be used to gather broad demographic information for aggregate use. ePrize may use a cookie, a piece of data stored on the user's hard drive containing information about the user, to assist in performing some or all of these activities and also to limit your ability to play a Promotion more times than allowed."

I'm assuming that by "more times than allowed" they are meaning 1x entries, 1 per household entries, etc. But considering legalese *LOL* it could mean just about anything.

Contact ePrize: If you wish to contact ePrize to correct, amend, or delete information (if ePrize is holding on to your information as explained above), about privacy related issues or for any reason at all, you may do so in one of two (2) ways

1. Mail to:

Privacy Policy c/o ePrize, LLC
One ePrize Drive
Pleasant Ridge, MI 48069; or

2. Email to: privacy@eprize.com

carscheles
February 6th, 2008, 5:00pm
http://www.eprize.com/privacy/privacypolicy.html

I wasn't really sure why you posted this but I did notice that it says:

"ePrize may collect information about the site you last visited prior to the Promotion or about your activity during your visit to the Promotion site. This information will not reveal your personal identity (it is anonymous), may be used by ePrize to administer the technical and operational aspects of this site..."

So they could use that software to know if you've just come from another sweepstakes. And they can "administer the technical and operational aspects of this site" based on that info. So what techinical/operational aspects are they administering? Their filtering system?

elittle2004
February 6th, 2008, 5:15pm
This is a good thread. I too use to win at least one prize per week (sometimes more), now I'm lucky if I win a instant win prize from ePrize per month. I'm the only one who uses my computer. I actually won more prizes on my old dial-up Internet than I do with DSL. A few years ago, I entered my dad into a ePrize sweep and he won $1,200. I would of entered but I was only 20 years old at the time...a person had to be 21 to enter.

RockysJewel
February 6th, 2008, 5:21pm
I agree. Hubby and I both won on a one win per family sweep. I wrote and told them PLEASE dont send second win I did not notice the one win (but it was a one per person entry per day) please know we werent cheating jsut didnt see it. I also said please dont Blacklist us or anhything we follow the rules.

2 people wrote back to me and said Thank you so much for your honesty. You will not be DQ'd nor blacklisted. We thank you both for entering our sweepstakes and please continue to do so.

That was from ePrize !

I don't think they are DQ'ing a husband and wife entering at the same address. I think what they are trying to weed out is a person entering 10 different names at the same address.

sascha_b
February 6th, 2008, 5:33pm
Although I wouldn't like to see this happen...If eprize would just include in their rules that you can't have won an eprize sweep over a certain amount of money in the prior 6 months or so to be eligible to win on other instants. Nasty little rule but, if they are filtering like that anyway, at least we would know to not enter the instants if we had won a sizeable prize during that time. If they are shooting for "fairness" then that would be fair. They would not do that though because they like all the revenue those hits create.

Yep, again...just make the rules clear for everyone. And good point about the revenue. It's no loss to eprize if sweeping hobbyists get "filtered" after they create their site hits. Which is probably why we won't get a clear answer. They want our hits....




You entered xx amount of ePrize sweepstakes in a given period of time. This flagged you as a potential automated entry.


This one is what I'm concerned about the most......I recently started doing all my sweeps from bookmarks. So my Eprizes are done one behind the other.

RockysJewel
February 6th, 2008, 5:45pm
Right and it does. Like if I play and then get distracted with a phone call and then accidently play again because I couldnt remember if i had played or not and the little you have already played pops up.

Then hubby can play and it goes thru fine. I personally believe that is what the filter is for. We will never know actually so I guess we each just need to play how we feel best about it.

Maybe those who are having trouble stop playing more than one person and see if your wins increase. that would be my only suggestion.

Just read thier policy.

"Your IP address may also be used to gather broad demographic information for aggregate use. ePrize may use a cookie, a piece of data stored on the user's hard drive containing information about the user, to assist in performing some or all of these activities and also to limit your ability to play a Promotion more times than allowed."

I'm assuming that by "more times than allowed" they are meaning 1x entries, 1 per household entries, etc. But considering legalese *LOL* it could mean just about anything.

Contact ePrize: If you wish to contact ePrize to correct, amend, or delete information (if ePrize is holding on to your information as explained above), about privacy related issues or for any reason at all, you may do so in one of two (2) ways

1. Mail to:

Privacy Policy c/o ePrize, LLC
One ePrize Drive
Pleasant Ridge, MI 48069; or

2. Email to: privacy@eprize.com

sascha_b
February 6th, 2008, 5:52pm
Maybe those who are having trouble stop playing more than one person and see if your wins increase. that would be my only suggestion.

I thinks that's a good suggestion, and plan to tell hubby he's out of luck for awhile. I'm also going to enter Eprize sweeps sporadically and between other sweeps.....

But...if there is a filter program, I'd bet that once you're filtered, you stay filtered. Remember, we're talking about a computer program. It can't think for itself or change your "status" on it's own.

There in lies the rub. How to start "right" and "fresh" with ePrize. I don't think creating another email is the right way to go about it. And if you're talking phone number and address as identifiers, I only enter my legitimate ones...so that ain't gonna change.

cappyone
February 6th, 2008, 7:13pm
There is always a chance that they are focusing on entries coming from sweepsites. EEEEEEK!!!!
I wonder how possible it would be for them to get a list of members of sweepsites. Anything is possible. Some "spy" could steal it and sell to eprize.:laugh:

sascha_b
February 6th, 2008, 7:16pm
There is always a chance that they are focusing on entries coming from sweepsites. EEEEEEK!!!!
I wonder how possible it would be for them to get a list of members of sweepsites. Anything is possible. Some "spy" could steal it and sell to eprize.:laugh:

My ultimate paranoia revolves around that "generic" eprize sweep that was listed here. A plant.....okay, I may have gone off the deep end on that one..but hey...it could happen!:toss:

wolflady26
February 6th, 2008, 7:51pm
You know sometimes people go through dry spells. Why does everyone have to try and justify a dry spell by trying to figure out if they have been blacklisted by eprize? Trust me, the only way you have been blacklisted is if you have obviously been cheating. If you haven't cheated, you have nothing to worry about. My husband and I enter sweeps all the time and we <font style='color:blue; background-color:yellow;'>bot</font>h win... same IP address, same computer, same everything. Those rules are in place to catch the obvious cheaters. There are folks that register 30 people living at the same address, hoping to take advantage of the prizes that don't require affidavits and stuff.


I agree completely. I've gone through long dry spells where I think that the ePrize gods have abandoned me. Then I'll win a lot all of a sudden. Then I won't win again.

I don't think there's a conspiracy. I think if ePrize didn't want us to enter so often, they'd put it in their rules. Why get a lot of entries that they just have to filter out? Everything would run more smoothly if they stated a limit in their rules.

Even if there were a conspiracy, what could I do about it? Nothing. It wouldn't even make sense to avoid ePrize sweeps because of those times when I suddenly win. So I'd personally rather put the time spent researching and letter-writing into entering instead. :)

psalmstress
February 6th, 2008, 8:04pm
I was just mulling this over last night.

Both my husband I enter through the same computer but have different emails. I haven't won an ePrize IWG for many, many weeks. With some of them having a gazillion prizes this is odd to me as I enter daily. I too, hate to be paranoid, but I'm thinking I'm on "the filter list".

I have no problem with "one per household". I just think it's unfair to allow one per email addy in the rules, and be blocked because you have two people in the household playing. It's not like I have 4 or 5.....

I'm going to stew on this for awhile...but I'm not as excited to sweep in the morning like I was before.....
:nono:

I haven't won an eprize instant in a few years and am the only one here that enters. Highly doubt you're blacklisted, just a luck of the draw. GL in the future.

unravel
February 7th, 2008, 12:22am
I agree completely. I've gone through long dry spells where I think that the ePrize gods have abandoned me. Then I'll win a lot all of a sudden. Then I won't win again.

If you're winning, or if you've gone through dry spells, it's (understandably) easy to shrug off what some have said and chalk it up to paranoia or bad luck. I started sweeping in mid-June of '06, and stopped at the end of August b/c we were pondering a move. I'd had 4-5 small ePrize wins during that time. I started playing again in January '07, and in '07, had a total of *one* win (and I'm not sure it can really be said it was a win. There was a server error on one of their games, I emailed them to let them know, in case they didn't. I never got a reply to that email, but hours later, a "Congratulations!" for a specific prize came through. Per their rules, they were supposed to be giving away ONE of that prize *each day*. Somebody on the forum I normally hang out at, had won it earlier that, before the server broke. They gave it to me, then gave it to 2-3 others who emailed them about the issue. And to someone else who had the problem that day, but emailed two days later!).

Given the number of ePrize promos I take part in (not all, by any means, but many), my daily plays, and the number of prizes between them all... I can't wrap my head around not seeing a genuine "Congratulations!" screen once over the course of 402 (2007 + January + Feb so far) days. I'm not even winning wallpapers/ringtones from them. I've won nearly every *non-ePrize* instant that I've played, which are few and far between.

I don't think there's a conspiracy. I think if ePrize didn't want us to enter so often, they'd put it in their rules. Why get a lot of entries that they just have to filter out? Everything would run more smoothly if they stated a limit in their rules. Even if there were a conspiracy, what could I do about it? Nothing. It wouldn't even make sense to avoid ePrize sweeps because of those times when I suddenly win.

Once upon a time (and I use that term, because I haven't heard anyone mention anything similar in eons), ePrize would let you know if you'd been blocked, you'd get a message as soon as you visited a site (or maybe it was after you'd logged in). The only thing that did was get abusers to circumvent the 'ban' (which was ridiculously weak -- IIRC, it was a cookie or a temp file, and all you had to do to get around it was clear your cache). If you don't make it known that you're blocking folks, fewer are going to try to get around it, making it easier for you.

Given the advances in technology + price drops in recent years, blocks can be done server side. Filtering isn't really problematic. ePrize *has* to have programmers on hand - you create a database of people who are blocked, and check new accounts against it (networks transferring data at speeds of 1GB+ would make it fairly quick). If there are matches, those new accounts are flagged and added to a group which has 'win rights' removed.

Publicizing they're limiting entries, filtering folks out, whatever, causes more problems than it's worth. 1) Potentially increases the abuse (fake accounts, intentional mispellings in an attempt to throw things off), 2) HUGE decrease in the number of hits they have (popularity is a reason clients go to them), 3) Gets sweepers to complain (not all, but enough to make some noise) to current/perspective ePrize clients, possibly getting some to seek out alternatives, giving ePrize's competition a sudden edge, and 4) ... Companies do promos to increase brand recognition and brand loyalty. Blocking a large number of participants because they may have won an IwG sponsored by a competitor won't go over well, and I know I'd be peeved if I was paying the kind of money these companies do to have a promotion I wanted open to all... and ePrize barred people for ePrize's benefit.

Of course it wouldn't make sense for you to avoid ePrize altogether .... then again, you win, and sometimes, you win a lot :P

Just my two cents

carscheles
February 7th, 2008, 4:07am
It seems that the people who are arguing that our conversation is based on paranoia, aren't the ones who have been effected by the "filtering". We all know the difference between a dry spell and something truly wrong. A dry spell is when your wins decrease or stop temporarily. Some people haven't won an ePrize sweep in years. How do you explain that?

All of us who agree that there's something going on would probably say that they haven't won a ringtone, wallpaper, sweepstakes that has 10,000+ prizes - what's up with that?

It's hard to understand unless you are actually in the middle of it. If you're not having problems, you feel that it's not a big deal that you haven't won anything in a month - because after that month you win again. We are not talking about a dry spell here. Were talking about filtering from winning at all.

Since we don't know the exact formula that ePrize uses for their filtering, it's hard to say why some of us are filtered and some of us aren't. Maybe you have to meet two or three criteria before you're filtered - example - you have to have won more than 10 ePrize sweeps in the past month, AND you have to have entered 10 ePrize sweepstakes in less than 10 minutes, AND you have been entering the sweepstakes daily for at least 20 days in a row.

The above is just an example of how the filtering could be set up so that some people are filtered and some not.

If anybody gets a response from their email to ePrize, please let us know.

carscheles
February 7th, 2008, 4:54am
I just sent them an email asking if our household is still able to enter ePrize sweepstakes since my husband has won such a large prize from them. I told them that we haven't won anything from an ePrize sponsored sweeps since then. I'll see if they answer - I doubt they will. If they do, I'll let you know.

Janir
February 7th, 2008, 4:57am
Honestly, (and this is just a theory, just like all of us) I DO think that it is a combo of just plain too much competition + bad luck/poor timing.

OLS is a huge group, but guess what? We are not the only game in town. There are sites where they ONLY list instant win sweeps. Instant win entrants are actually a gigantic group, many of whom I'm quite sure have no interest in other sweeps...

I know, I know, when you see an instant win offering 1000's of prizes & you can't win squat, well, you wonder. I've wondered too, after a long dry spell. But eventually I start winning again, I never give up, I'm a lifer.

My crummy advice? If you're not a cheater, don't worry, I just don't buy this "filtering" stuff, why would they bother? ePrize is very well aware of sweepers. I just don't believe that they punish you for entering too much. Multiple addies, yes, multiple entries, no.

For those who have never won an ePrize sweep, well, I'm sorry, truly I am, but hey, I've been at this for years, & there are some sweeps I enter religiously, but never win. Also I do the skill contests, there have been many many times I hit the submit button thinking, Oh Yeah, this is a WINNER! NOT. I just keep on entering....

MrsM
February 7th, 2008, 5:59am
Paranoia, big destroy-aaaaaa.

I'm paranoid about being a "frequent flyer" too, but I just enter. I did win 2 times in the last month, but nothing to write home to Mama about.

barbs
February 7th, 2008, 6:13am
There's nothing more irritating to a non-winner than seeing someone griping that they "used to win several times a week and haven't won for a month or so".!

carscheles
February 7th, 2008, 6:21am
Look, there are plenty of people who think something is up at ePrize and we're having a discussion about it. If you don't believe that to be true, then that's fine. There's no reason to come here and argue with us or call us names. We are not trying to convince you to believe what we believe. Why argue with us? Why call us paranoid? Is that helping anything?

If our conversation bothers you, then you have the right not to read it.

infinitybean
February 7th, 2008, 6:32am
Look, there are plenty of people who think something is up at ePrize and we're having a discussion about it. If you don't believe that to be true, then that's fine. There's no reason to come here and argue with us or call us names. We are not trying to convince you to believe what we believe. Why argue with us? Why call us paranoid? Is that helping anything?

If our conversation bothers you, then you have the right not to read it.


This thread is open to all.
If you truly just can't bear to hear opposing viewpoints, you should petition to have this moved to OLS Groups, where it will be safe. As long as it remains in General Sweepstakes Discussion, it remains open for just that: discussion.

carscheles
February 7th, 2008, 6:36am
This thread is open to all.
If you truly just can't bear to hear opposing viewpoints, you should petition to have this moved to OLS Groups, where it will be safe. As long as it remains in General Sweepstakes Discussion, it remains open for just that: discussion.

I know you and I have history (because of your comments about fastfreddie) so if you're trying to bait me into an argument, I'm not going to go there.

You are right, this is an open discussion but for those who don't like controversy, we can keep this a civil thread. There's no need for name calling.

sascha_b
February 7th, 2008, 7:50am
Hey, I'm cool with opposing viewpoints. And everyone is certainly entitled to theirs.
I'd prefer not to be called a whiner; but hey, them's the breaks.....

We're all here about the sweeping. Eprize is at the forefront of the market. They want to be the innovators. The topic these days in Promotions these days is "How to Catch Cheaters"; which is a good thing.

The bottom line is Eprize is the one to watch for software solutions to these problems. And I'm concerned that alot of the "naysayer" posts keep asking "why would ePrize" bother? The fact is Eprize has already "bothered". Filtering software is a fact, not a debatable.

And Eprize is not gonna let you know anymore. They're thinking: Hey, that dude who cheats by hitting us 500 times in an hour...let's figure out how to filter him from winning, but still get his hit counts in our stats! That's not paranoid, that's just good business for them. That doesn't concern me because I'm not into cheating, but it concerns me because that is the guy that causes ePrize to improve their filtering which in turn may impact us down the road when the filtering gets so active it causes problems for others.

Whether I'm a whiner is a debatable!:eyebrow: And that's a decision you all can make for yourselves, I'm aware that some of you have...and that's just the price I'll pay for intelligent conversation on this topic.

Mods, thank you for keeping this topic open. None of us have all the facts, but I think it's of relevant interest to many.

TawnyNY
February 7th, 2008, 8:46am
Just read eprize program for catching cheaters. My question is about "de-duping". It looks as if you can be "filtered out" if more than one person in your household enters. This could happen even if it is within the rules that entries can be "per person". I realize that eprize informs you if you are blacklisted (at least they say they do). But....if you are being "filtered" you may not know that and will still be able to enter Instants but may not win because the filter doesn't allow a win at your address. It may be applied sporadically. Sounds paranoid, I know. My question is...do you think it is probable that the "de-duping" filter may be blocking wins and that you could still enter the instants as usual? I'm sure that eprize doesn't want to deal with people claiming that they are unjustly being filtered. Below is a blurb about their process. I wrote to eprize recently about their policy and wondering if I was on some kind of list. I don't cheat but had not won in many months which was not the norm. I explained that the only people using this address was my husband and myself and boldly gave them both addresses. No response from eprize. Then...the very next day I won an ipod on an instant. Could be coincidence but I'm talking months of no wins and then suddenly. Hmmmm?

1) Address Verification - This process verifies mailing addresses against
the U.S. Postal Service database.
2) Image Security - This tool asks the entrant to verify text from a
random image on the screen to advance further within the promotion, a
technique that blocks bots from submitting entries.
3) IP Blocking - A Web page informs the player that his or her IP address
has been associated with previous fraudulent activities and shuts the player
completely out of any ePrize promotion.
4) De-duper - People who try to enter multiple individuals under the same
address can be filtered out if some of the information they provide matches
that of another registered profile.
5) Blacklist - This global master list compiled by ePrize records previous
fraudulent offenders and prevents them from entering future promotions for any
ePrize clients.


If you want to test if you're "blocked" by eprize, then try the WWE iwg. If you can win that, then obviously you're not blocked or blacklisted.

I just won on it.

infinitybean
February 7th, 2008, 8:52am
I know you and I have history (because of your comments about fastfreddie) so if you're trying to bait me into an argument, I'm not going to go there.

You are right, this is an open discussion but for those who don't like controversy, we can keep this a civil thread. There's no need for name calling.

I didn't call you a name and I am now, as I was with FastFreddie, behaving with civility.

infinitybean
February 7th, 2008, 8:53am
If you want to test if you're "blocked" by eprize, then try the WWE iwg. If you can win that, then obviously you're not blocked or blacklisted.

I just won on it.


There ya go! Paranoid no more, people.

ETA:
Whaddaya know - me too!
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easagredo
February 7th, 2008, 9:15am
I haven't won in months.....am I blacklisted on EVERY JA's list????? :eyebrow:

Nevermind...I just won a wallpaper on that WWE sweep. LMAO

tlak
February 7th, 2008, 11:42am
There is always a chance that they are focusing on entries coming from sweepsites. EEEEEEK!!!!
I wonder how possible it would be for them to get a list of members of sweepsites. Anything is possible. Some "spy" could steal it and sell to eprize.:laugh:

Brent has a tag on all these sweepstakes entries, so they know they're all coming from a sweepstakes site. For a while I would find the site through OLS, then search it out at a search engine, and enter a clean contest in my bookmarks and enter through the bookmarks.

djr58
February 7th, 2008, 11:49am
For a while I would find the site through OLS, then search it out at a search engine, and enter a clean contest in my bookmarks and enter through the bookmarks.

I'm curious if that made a difference for you?

tlak
February 7th, 2008, 12:07pm
I'm curious if that made a difference for you?

I've won big, very big, but late last year I started using OLS exclusively to not have to keep up with the bookmarks, little to nothing. Think I'll go back to old ways and see.

WWE is not a test of Eprize, because it's like a pay to fill out the survey, everybody is probably going to win.

jafarhie
February 7th, 2008, 12:40pm
This topic has come up a few times this year already and I say expect more of the same. I've actually pointed out the difference in the amount of prizes being offered last year and this year before. I knew the instants were doomed once the Caffeine Promotions started dominating. Many people paid little to no attention to that fact and still don't realize how drastically Eprize has reduced the amount of prizes in each instant. Just look at the Caffeine Promotions and the fact that nobody is claiming a win months after the sweep began. Remember Eprize changed the rules on those making them creative presentations. I know somebody will claim, "EVERYBODY doesn't post wins" but usually in the instants at least one or two members post their wins.

I admit, I've won more than my share of instants in the past. However, this year has been less than average and this is just a reality that many sweepers need to accept. Long gone are the days when prizes were plentiful. Now you're more likely to see 12, 25, or 50 of a prize being offered. You add all the Caffeine sweeps that people rarely win and the odds are dismal. This is my theory of what's happening because I don't believe anyone who can enter Eprize instants without that little block message at the top are being filtered out of winning.

feelinlucky
February 7th, 2008, 12:56pm
This topic has come up a few times this year already and I say expect more of the same. I've actually pointed out the difference in the amount of prizes being offered last year and this year before. I knew the instants were doomed once the Caffeine Promotions started dominating. Many people paid little to no attention to that fact and still don't realize how drastically Eprize has reduced the amount of prizes in each instant. Just look at the Caffeine Promotions and the fact that nobody is claiming a win months after the sweep began. Remember Eprize changed the rules on those making them creative presentations. I know somebody will claim, "EVERYBODY doesn't post wins" but usually in the instants at least one or two members post their wins.

I admit, I've won more than my share of instants in the past. However, this year has been less than average and this is just a reality that many sweepers need to accept. Long gone are the days when prizes were plentiful. Now you're more likely to see 12, 25, or 50 of a prize being offered. You add all the Caffeine sweeps that people rarely win and the odds are dismal. This is my theory of what's happening because I don't believe anyone who can enter Eprize instants without that little block message at the top are being filtered out of winning.

I think you are right.

nettester
February 7th, 2008, 1:06pm
Does anyone from eprize ever listen to our discussions? Very interesting questions have been raised in this thread. Eprize people are you lurking? listening? Inquiring minds want to know!

sascha_b
February 7th, 2008, 1:11pm
This is my theory of what's happening because I don't believe anyone who can enter Eprize instants without that little block message at the top are being filtered out of winning.

Oh please...more info on this.
Is this a fact, or urban OLS legend? I am NOT being snarky, I ask with all sincerity.

I'm wondering because if someone who has experienced it could confirm it, it could help us understand some questions in this thread. Although I doubt that anyone would admit it...

It would be interesting to see if a "blocked" person who got this message in the past, and tried to enter now could see if filtering is as "out in the open" as it used to be. Although that might only apply to blacklisting, I'm more interested in the "filtering"...but who knows?...

And for the WWE sweep...I agree with tlak. Doesn't mean the software has to be applied to all. Eprize could choose to have it not applied for gimmies like this.

Still awaiting my own personal confirmation from Eprize regarding my DH and I both entering the IWGs. Sent it the day the thread starting(which included both our emails)... only generic "we'll send a reply soon" email as of yet.

anyways...enough of this for the moment...have to get back to my dailies, and I'm sure no-one really wants to hear me ramble any more today....:rofl2:

RockysJewel
February 7th, 2008, 1:44pm
Right BUT when people ... .like me posted, our posts are totally ignored as non-valid info. I stated BOTH hubby and I have won from ePrize, they stated YES it is perfectly fine for BOTH of you to enter and please CONTINUE to do so and good luck. Those are for one per person sweeps.

That is a very valid and informative piece of info in the whole I think we are being DQ'd/blacklisted/filtered issue.

Look, there are plenty of people who think something is up at ePrize and we're having a discussion about it. If you don't believe that to be true, then that's fine. There's no reason to come here and argue with us or call us names. We are not trying to convince you to believe what we believe. Why argue with us? Why call us paranoid? Is that helping anything?

If our conversation bothers you, then you have the right not to read it.

sascha_b
February 7th, 2008, 1:51pm
Right BUT when people ... .like me posted, our posts are totally ignored as non-valid info. I stated BOTH hubby and I have won from ePrize, they stated YES it is perfectly fine for BOTH of you to enter and please CONTINUE to do so and good luck. Those are for one per person sweeps.

That is a very valid and informative piece of info in the whole I think we are being DQ'd/blacklisted/filtered issue.

RockyJewels, I didn't mean to ignore your information or deem it invalid.
I'm glad you added information to the thread. And what makes it even better is it's factual.
It answers some questions for me but not others, that's all.

RockysJewel
February 7th, 2008, 2:02pm
Oh that's Ok.... I didn't necessarily mean I have to be 'noticed' just that only the 'negative' posts are being responded to (know what I mean)

Also I have to add in the 3 years of entering straight from OLS, using ROBO, hubby and I BOTh entering sweeps I have won more than $30k in prizes and many of them ePrize including big ones

RockyJewels, I didn't mean to ignore your information or deem it invalid.
I'm glad you added information to the thread. And what makes it even better is it's factual.
It answers some questions for me but not others, that's all.

carscheles
February 7th, 2008, 2:21pm
Right BUT when people ... .like me posted, our posts are totally ignored as non-valid info. I stated BOTH hubby and I have won from ePrize, they stated YES it is perfectly fine for BOTH of you to enter and please CONTINUE to do so and good luck. Those are for one per person sweeps.

That is a very valid and informative piece of info in the whole I think we are being DQ'd/blacklisted/filtered issue.

I didn't find your information as non-valid info. I thought it spoke for itself so I didn't answer what you said. Sorry if you felt ignored.

I don't disagree with you. I'm sure you are still winning and that ePrize told you that it was okay. Problem is that some people are winning their "norm" for them - whatever that may be. And other's have suddenly went to zilch. And some very poor souls started right at zilch.

I can't understand why I went from winning a lot to nothing. I'm here daily. I enter at various times. Myself, DH nor kids have won from ePrize in over 6 months. I just don't think that's a cooincedence.

Alimar
February 7th, 2008, 2:33pm
I'm beginning to suspect the main problem is entering so many of their sweeps, and so close together. They obviously know my entries are coming from OLS (I use Shazam) and I'll enter maybe 10 ePrize sweeps within a few minutes. I've never felt a need to hide that since it's not breaking any rules, but maybe they don't like it...

I don't think they want us to stop entering, though, because I think they get paid by how many entries they get! ePrize has no trouble contacting me to offer me coupons or free shipping offers, etc., related to the instant win games I play, they just forgot they can also give me prizes. :laugh:

(I also don't consider a wallpaper or screensaver a real prize...so the WWE thing doesn't prove anything to me! I am more likely to consider a ringtone or music download a real prize, but mainly IF it's one you can choose yourself and not something purely promotional that is free advertising for them--those are usually the things you get free just for entering.)

I've even begun to consider deleting all my ePrize sweeps from MySweeps! There are so many of them that my dailies take me forever, but it seems like a given I won't win one. I almost fell over when I won a small product sample from an instant the other day, then realized--of course, it wasn't run by ePrize!

TawnyNY
February 7th, 2008, 2:50pm
I've won big, very big, but late last year I started using OLS exclusively to not have to keep up with the bookmarks, little to nothing. Think I'll go back to old ways and see.

WWE is not a test of Eprize, because it's like a pay to fill out the survey, everybody is probably going to win.


It's an instant win game administered by eprize. Would they unblock you so you can win that one and then reblock it back for their other iwg's?

carscheles
February 7th, 2008, 2:56pm
It's an instant win game administered by eprize. Would they unblock you so you can win that one and then reblock it back for their other iwg's?

Being there's no value to the WWE sweeps, I don't think they consider it an actual prize. They probably consider it a freebie that they give away just for entering. I think eveyone that enters automatically gets it.

Since it's a freebie, there would be no need to block that "prize".

lisacna
February 7th, 2008, 3:06pm
Well dont know it this information helps but I played the wwe one because we have a fan in the house and I didnt win for a couple days. I mean it was easy to get but it wasnt automatic win. ?????? Again not sure if this information is helpful or not. GLTA

nemabema
February 7th, 2008, 3:06pm
Brent has a tag on all these sweepstakes entries, so they know they're all coming from a sweepstakes site. For a while I would find the site through OLS, then search it out at a search engine, and enter a clean contest in my bookmarks and enter through the bookmarks.

Yes, I did that too. What a hassle! Gave it up after a while. I appreciate the information found on OLS. I would not know about probably 90% of these sweeps without this site. That being said , I think that there is a real possibility that sweepstake sites are filtered if at all possible. No one knows, of course, but it is possible and I think that it may even be probable. Not everyone would be blocked, of course. Now that would be highly suspicious. It would be more likely that people entering from sweepstake sites (especially large, successful ones like OLS) would be flagged for "extra vigilance" by eprize so that more than one entry per household could put you under suspicion enough to put you on a filter list. God forbid if you don't notice "one per household" then or any other minor blunder could throw you into filter for who knows how long. Permanently???

sascha_b
February 7th, 2008, 3:06pm
It's an instant win game administered by eprize. Would they unblock you so you can win that one and then reblock it back for their other iwg's?

It doesn't work quite that way. They have different programming for each different sweep. They could chose to include the filtering code into one sweep's program, and chose to not include it in another. It belongs in the sweep program, it doesn't follow your email and turn on and off depending on the sweep.

I'm beginning to suspect the main problem is entering so many of their sweeps, and so close together. They obviously know my entries are coming from OLS (I use Shazam) and I'll enter maybe 10 ePrize sweeps within a few minutes. I've never felt a need to hide that since it's not breaking any rules, but maybe they don't like it...

I don't think they want us to stop entering, though, because I think they get paid by how many entries they get! ePrize has no trouble contacting me to offer me coupons or free shipping offers, etc., related to the instant win games I play, they just forgot they can also give me prizes. :laugh:

(I also don't consider a wallpaper or screensaver a real prize...so the WWE thing doesn't prove anything to me! I am more likely to consider a ringtone or music download a real prize, but mainly IF it's one you can choose yourself and not something purely promotional that is free advertising for them--those are usually the things you get free just for entering.)

I've even begun to consider deleting all my ePrize sweeps from MySweeps! There are so many of them that my dailies take me forever, but it seems like a given I won't win one. I almost fell over when I won a small product sample from an instant the other day, then realized--of course, it wasn't run by ePrize!

Alimar, you're my new hero.
Yes, yes, yes....to every paragraph.
Wish I was as well spoken (or in this case "typen":grin3: as you are)

nemabema
February 7th, 2008, 3:08pm
[QUOTE=tiny;7035635]There ya go! Paranoid no more, people.


This is a win? Looks like advertising.:worry:

nemabema
February 7th, 2008, 3:13pm
This topic has come up a few times this year already and I say expect more of the same. I've actually pointed out the difference in the amount of prizes being offered last year and this year before. I knew the instants were doomed once the Caffeine Promotions started dominating. Many people paid little to no attention to that fact and still don't realize how drastically Eprize has reduced the amount of prizes in each instant. Just look at the Caffeine Promotions and the fact that nobody is claiming a win months after the sweep began. Remember Eprize changed the rules on those making them creative presentations. I know somebody will claim, "EVERYBODY doesn't post wins" but usually in the instants at least one or two members post their wins.

I admit, I've won more than my share of instants in the past. However, this year has been less than average and this is just a reality that many sweepers need to accept. Long gone are the days when prizes were plentiful. Now you're more likely to see 12, 25, or 50 of a prize being offered. You add all the Caffeine sweeps that people rarely win and the odds are dismal. This is my theory of what's happening because I don't believe anyone who can enter Eprize instants without that little block message at the top are being filtered out of winning.

I think all of us realize there are fewer prizes. However, there are still several with thousands of prizes and, given that there are more sweepers, it still defies the odds that a person could enter regularly for months and never win anything. Also, filtering and blocking are two different things.

nemabema
February 7th, 2008, 3:19pm
Oh please...more info on this.
Is this a fact, or urban OLS legend? I am NOT being snarky, I ask with all sincerity.

I'm wondering because if someone who has experienced it could confirm it, it could help us understand some questions in this thread. Although I doubt that anyone would admit it...

It would be interesting to see if a "blocked" person who got this message in the past, and tried to enter now could see if filtering is as "out in the open" as it used to be. Although that might only apply to blacklisting, I'm more interested in the "filtering"...but who knows?...

And for the WWE sweep...I agree with tlak. Doesn't mean the software has to be applied to all. Eprize could choose to have it not applied for gimmies like this.

Still awaiting my own personal confirmation from Eprize regarding my DH and I both entering the IWGs. Sent it the day the thread starting(which included both our emails)... only generic "we'll send a reply soon" email as of yet.

anyways...enough of this for the moment...have to get back to my dailies, and I'm sure no-one really wants to hear me ramble any more today....:rofl2:

I do believe that eprize applies different criteria to different sweeps. Some appear to be more open and you see many winners. This is usually for smaller prizes. This appears to be true even if the prize pool is small. Watch the posting of wins (yes, I know, not everyone posts). Some sweeps will take off with many members posting. It reminds me of slot machines-some are loose and some are impossible to win.

stan1162
February 7th, 2008, 3:31pm
What I think about is this.... With over 100,000 members here on OLS, not ONE past employee of ePrize here??

Or Don Jagoda, or Softcoin, or many, many of the other reputable administrators????

I understand being a current employee not being able to talk about the administration of sweepstakes, to shed some enlightenment???

Why is it there are NO past employees of ANY of these chiming in? Lifetime "gag order"?

pearlleemay
February 7th, 2008, 3:39pm
Brent has a tag on all these sweepstakes entries, so they know they're all coming from a sweepstakes site. For a while I would find the site through OLS, then search it out at a search engine, and enter a clean contest in my bookmarks and enter through the bookmarks.

That is what I think When I did win two eprize sweepstakes it was through a different sweepstakes site. Not here.

I do think the rules clearly state one entry/email per iep address per day.

secular
February 7th, 2008, 3:48pm
When ever one of these posts comes up I always see somebody say, "if you didn't cheat, you have nothing to worry about". But how can you say that for sure? Unless you work for ePrize, I don't think you are privy to that information.

Then I hear, "if you were DQ'd, you'd know it". Well what if there is another level besides an absolute DQ? DQing somebody is easy for ePrize. They have evidence that you cheated and feel confident enough to come right out and tell you so.

Somewhere in between I believe there is another level of being disqualified. Let's use the term "filtered" out of sweepstakes. What if they filter randomly? They see a particular name or address on thier winners list too often. Or they can tell how many ePrize sweeps you entered in the past 10 minutes. So they decide to make the call that you may be a potential cheater and filter you out of their sweeps for a while. They feel it's legal because they published that they would be filtering out cheaters, yet at the same time on this level of DQing people, they don't notify you just in case they're wrong.

You cannot tell me it's paranioa. This has been brought up over and over and over again. I have been here for a very long time. Two times I have experienced a change in winning. The first time I gave up for over a year. When I came back, I was winning non-stop. The second time I moved and my wins increased tremendously. Now I'm in an 6 month long ePrize dry spell. Could it have anything to do with my DH winning a $50,000 prize through ePrize - roughly 6 months ago?

I see wht your getting at. My question is why would eprize have a list of all their live promotions right there on their website if they didn't want people to enter them all?

sascha_b
February 7th, 2008, 3:52pm
Why is it there are NO past employees of ANY of these chiming in? Lifetime "gag order"?

Okay, I'm gonna get risky here....

Pure speculation: It wouldn't surprise me if an employee of eprize was a member here. Wouldn't you want your finger on the pulse, so to speak, if you were in the field of promotions?
As for a response? Doubtful, but I'd love to be wrong.:sing:

Not speculation, but secondhand information: Anyone can google and find some vague references to the culture there....'nuff said.

I see wht your getting at. My question is why would eprize have a list of all their live promotions right there on their website if they didn't want people to enter them all?

They DO want people to enter them. They make $$$ off of folks entering. The topic here is in the past you knew if you weren't a valid entry. And one of the questions is if now they allow you to enter even if they don't consider you valid to jack up their stats. All revolving around questions folk have about their policy on "de-duping" and the potentials for problems with their filtering software.

secular
February 7th, 2008, 4:28pm
:rolleyes:???? about the de-duping. If you are being de-duped (most of eprize sweps are instant wins) are your entries for the sweepstakes prizes for the instant not valid either?

stan1162
February 7th, 2008, 4:41pm
Okay, I'm gonna get risky here....

Pure speculation: It wouldn't surprise me if an employee of eprize was a member here. Wouldn't you want your finger on the pulse, so to speak, if you were in the field of promotions?
As for a response? Doubtful, but I'd love to be wrong.:sing:

Not speculation, but secondhand information: Anyone can google and find some vague references to the culture there....'nuff said.



They DO want people to enter them. They make $$$ off of folks entering. The topic here is in the past you knew if you weren't a valid entry. And one of the questions is if now they allow you to enter even if they don't consider you valid to jack up their stats. All revolving around questions folk have about their policy on "de-duping" and the potentials for problems with their filtering software.


I was getting at that there are/were probably members here who are employees of JA's.... who very well know the answers, but are tight lipped!!

cappyone
February 7th, 2008, 4:53pm
If there are JA (eprize, for example) employees here maybe they truly are not privy to how it all works. At least not the fine details. I think that it is a secret society of those who call the shots and their evil sidekicks, the programmers! It occurs to me that someone who used to work for a JA was on here years ago and occasionally gave advice in the forums.

RockysJewel
February 7th, 2008, 4:54pm
Not on ePrize..they do not say per IP, nor computer , it is per person. MOSt I mean I am sure you may find one that is different but meant in general

That is what I think When I did win two eprize sweepstakes it was through a different sweepstakes site. Not here.

I do think the rules clearly state one entry/email per iep address per day.

tricia
February 7th, 2008, 5:37pm
Brent has a tag on all these sweepstakes entries, so they know they're all coming from a sweepstakes site. For a while I would find the site through OLS, then search it out at a search engine, and enter a clean contest in my bookmarks and enter through the bookmarks.


Huh? There's haven't been any tags on sweeps for the last couple of years. When there were tags, they were on very few sweeps. Why use a search engine for the sweep, most times the archived rules have the sweep website.

tlak
February 7th, 2008, 6:34pm
Huh? There's haven't been any tags on sweeps for the last couple of years. When there were tags, they were on very few sweeps. Why use a search engine for the sweep, most times the archived rules have the sweep website.

I remember entering for the WE house and when I clicked on something in there I was routed back to OLS. After that I entered the rest of the WE entries separate from OLS.
Search engine, type in the address, whatever, the point was more to not click through OLS.

(There's haven't been any tags on sweeps for the last couple of years.) Alright, I guess.

cappyone
February 7th, 2008, 7:23pm
Personally, I'm glad that most of the people posting in here are posting about the filtering issue (it does exist, eprize says that it does). That was the purpose of this thread. Just wanted to hear what others thought about the issue and if they were dealing with something similar. I'm glad that it generally hasn't turned into "poor innocent eprize" vs the ugly, cheating entrants (which seems to include anyone who might be interested in the de-duping issue). Thanks for that.

nobimbo
February 7th, 2008, 7:51pm
I, too, have felt that something changed abruptly in terms of my ability to win ePrize sweeps. For me, it started about 2 months ago, and not long after I received a winning email from ePrize stating that I won a $50 dining certificate to a restaurant in an Atlantic City casino. It was from an instant sweep that had expired weeks before and that I had never received a winning screen on (and neither did anyone else from here who was playing it). Anyway, the email said I needed to print out the attached affy and send it in to claim the prize. I didn't want the prize (wanted some of the other prizes, which is why I entered it, but I had no plans to be in Atlantic City in the near or distant future) so I just didn't respond. Afterwards, when I stopped winning from ePrize, I began wondering if I was being filtered out because I had not responded to their email (I've read complaints from promo company execs who get frustrated because they have trouble getting in contact with the winners or getting them to respond). I'd go back and forth thinking I was just being paranoid, or just having a dry spell, or maybe I have won too much from ePrize and that's why they're filtering me. Then last week I won a $50 gift code from an ePrize instant sweep. Could be a fluke, maybe their filter wasn't working or something, lol. I don't enter for anyone else but me, and my Norton is set to block referrer so even though I enter from OLS it doesn't show that I do, so those aren't issues; but I do think there is some kind of filtering going on, and I'm glad to read that others' are feeling it, too.

Anyway, for anyone wanting to ask questions of a former ePrize employee, here are a couple of links to blogs by them:

This is from a disgruntled former ePrize employee:

http://eprizenolimits.blogspot.com/

This is from a happy former ePrize employee:

http://meprize.blogspot.com/

jafarhie
February 7th, 2008, 8:03pm
I think all of us realize there are fewer prizes. However, there are still several with thousands of prizes and, given that there are more sweepers, it still defies the odds that a person could enter regularly for months and never win anything. Also, filtering and blocking are two different things.

Honestly, I really don't think sweepers realize how the reduction of prizes on a large scale makes the odds terrible. But then again, sweepers are more inclined to believe conspiracy theories instead of coming to the realization that Caffeine type sweeps are taking over. There are only 9 pages of instants and about 3 pages of them are Caffeine. We're already in February and only a few instants have popped up offering a limited amount of prizes. Where have the big promotions gone? Eprize has figured out a way to get the most bang for their buck.

jafarhie
February 7th, 2008, 8:12pm
Oh please...more info on this.
Is this a fact, or urban OLS legend? I am NOT being snarky, I ask with all sincerity.

I'm wondering because if someone who has experienced it could confirm it, it could help us understand some questions in this thread. Although I doubt that anyone would admit it...



I take you weren't around when the whole controversy went down. Maybe the members who were affected can confirm it for you. The ban was definitely a hot topic on the boards. Members here received a message when they tried to enter the instants and had to email eprize to get the ban lifted. It's not an urban legend.

Someone please back me up. lol:grin3:

cappyone
February 7th, 2008, 8:25pm
I don't think anyone here would be disgruntled if they did not win the one prize per days that have popped up. Yes, there are many of those run by eprize. I never enter the Caffeine sweeps but there are others that aren't Caffeine that only have one or two prizes per day. I am talking about the sweeps with thousands of prizes that I never win administered by eprize and the ability to win sweeps administered by other JAs. If I am lucky enough to win I always check to see if it is administered by eprize and it never is. Not surprising as this has been happening for many months. It also started happening abruptly and became a red flag to me that something wasn't right.

Sunnybrook
February 7th, 2008, 8:38pm
I have some doubts about eprize yet, I have to remember that there are thousands of us sweepstakers out there, maybe millions who knows, look how many of us are just from ols. I have not won anything from eprize in some time, yet I have also entered many, many, sweepstakes snailmail, phone etc... yet I have won NOTHING, so Im just not sure, being not all my enteries are from the puter, yet I still have not won. But I am skeptical of them, all the prizes, yet not hearing of many wins. So maybe eprize is WATCHING us, or they are just carrying out rather large boxes from the headquarters, maybe somone that lives close should watch the employees leave and see if there lunch boxes are bigger when they get off work.

dopey
February 7th, 2008, 8:48pm
I, too, have felt that something changed abruptly in terms of my ability to win ePrize sweeps. For me, it started about 2 months ago, and not long after I received a winning email from ePrize stating that I won a $50 dining certificate to a restaurant in an Atlantic City casino. It was from an instant sweep that had expired weeks before and that I had never received a winning screen on (and neither did anyone else from here who was playing it). Anyway, the email said I needed to print out the attached affy and send it in to claim the prize. I didn't want the prize (wanted some of the other prizes, which is why I entered it, but I had no plans to be in Atlantic City in the near or distant future) so I just didn't respond. Afterwards, when I stopped winning from ePrize, I began wondering if I was being filtered out because I had not responded to their email (I've read complaints from promo company execs who get frustrated because they have trouble getting in contact with the winners or getting them to respond). I'd go back and forth thinking I was just being paranoid, or just having a dry spell, or maybe I have won too much from ePrize and that's why they're filtering me. Then last week I won a $50 gift code from an ePrize instant sweep. Could be a fluke, maybe their filter wasn't working or something, lol. I don't enter for anyone else but me, and my Norton is set to block referrer so even though I enter from OLS it doesn't show that I do, so those aren't issues; but I do think there is some kind of filtering going on, and I'm glad to read that others' are feeling it, too.

Anyway, for anyone wanting to ask questions of a former ePrize employee, here are a couple of links to blogs by them:




I won a $2500 sporting GC from them last year and didn't respond to the email affy. I still won eprize sweeps including a $500 Visa a couple months ago.

Eprize has been good to me, but Kraft and Pepsi suck. Three years of sweeping and I haven't won a single thing from them.

sascha_b
February 7th, 2008, 9:00pm
I take you weren't around when the whole controversy went down. Maybe the members who were affected can confirm it for you. The ban was definitely a hot topic on the boards. Members here received a message when they tried to enter the instants and had to email eprize to get the ban lifted. It's not an urban legend.

Someone please back me up. lol:grin3:


I wasn't, or I wasn't paying attention.
I believe you!:gvibes:

I'm off to watch LOST.
I'll catch up with the conspiracy in the morning.:curtsy:

Have a good evening folks.

bemiss
February 7th, 2008, 9:15pm
i can back you up ..i was here and it's no urban legend. search the forum "banned by eprize"you'll see alot of info including people who entered 2 people with per person in the rules and eprize would not honor their prizes. i'm to lazy to find the link. i say if your entering more than one person regardless of rules..enter at your own risk!eprize told the people way back when it all went down they were banned. there was no guessing. i don't know why they wouldn't tell people now like they told them before? from then on i take eprize rules as per person meaning per isp#. i'd rather not win something than win it and them not honor it!Good Luck Everyone:encore:

I take you weren't around when the whole controversy went down. Maybe the members who were affected can confirm it for you. The ban was definitely a hot topic on the boards. Members here received a message when they tried to enter the instants and had to email eprize to get the ban lifted. It's not an urban legend.

Someone please back me up. lol:grin3:

nemabema
February 7th, 2008, 9:18pm
I think that I have a new strategy in mind. I'll tell you if it works out.

IplaymyGuitar
February 7th, 2008, 9:20pm
LOST I love lost!

bnit2winit
February 7th, 2008, 9:47pm
I always wonder how do they handle people living in an apartment complex who have free internet through the apartment management? They all have the same IP but could be from different apartments or units. What happens in their cases?

junebugged
February 7th, 2008, 10:14pm
What a great thread!

I often wonder.... I am actually off to check my few meager prizes lately to see if they were eprize run....

Nubbs820
February 7th, 2008, 10:46pm
Less prizes and more people entering with a combination of bad timing and bad luck is the reason why people aren't winning. You know you win some, you lose some. There were 50,000 samples of nair and nair decided I need to keep my hair. It must be some great conspiracy because I couldn't even win it in the middle of the night! lol

It took me 3 days to get my wallpaper. Not everyone wins on it instantly.

Better promoted sweeps means there's also not your "pro sweepers" just entering and there's more competition.

Economy isn't great and in some places it stinks. More people looking for ways to get things free and stretch the dollar.

Everyone has had dry spells. I had a dry spell of like 5 months and even after I started winning again, it wasn't eprize wins for a few months after that.

unravel
February 7th, 2008, 10:53pm
While I do feel it's possible -probable?- that some of us are truly filtered out, I discount all the reasons that I've seen listed simply because this isn't happening on a larger scale (and if they played a part, it seems to me it would). No pun intended but.... sometimes, filters suck. If you've got spam control on your email, you know sometimes it catches things it shouldn't, and sometimes won't catch things it should). I wonder how many of those who are also in this boat have fairly common names, or live on streets with common names, or have generic email addresses, or some combination of the above. (If you feel you're being filtered, and your name is something like Compizia Macinwinlinuxington AND you live on something like 3.14 Timbucktootopia Parkway, Anytown USA 12345, please speak up!)

My crummy advice? If you're not a cheater, don't worry, I just don't buy this "filtering" stuff, why would they bother?

They'd bother because not bothering would result in ruin. ePrize makes its money from companies who pay them to create and admin promotions in their names, and the companies participate in these promotions to increase interest in their brand, gain new customers, and increase loyalty amongst the current user base. Company X wants you to feel good about the product/service that they offer. If ePrize turns a blind eye to abuse, and word gets out, (some) people feel like they've been wronged, and are going to complain TO Company X (who will look to another promotion company in the future, if complaints are bad enouh), or ABOUT Company X ("Company X had this promo and..." - we live in a world where words travel fast, and far. Let's say tons of people have *real* problem with a promotion because there was unchecked abuse -- they go to youtube, digg, facebook, myspace and speak out. Company X has a huge problem on its hands). Hypothetically, company X is peeved, and will no longer do business with ePrize. Company X happens to be a "baby brand", under the umbrella of Company A, which also owns Companies B, C, D, and E. Company X goes to Company A, relates the experience, and Company A tells the others to steer clear. ePrize _has_ to be able to demonstrate the ability to maintain a reasonable level of integrity within their hosted promotions. Filters work towards that, and potentially save ePrize time and money, too.

junebugged
February 8th, 2008, 12:11am
Ok, I witness protectioned myself and Im testing my new identity........ it didn't work today...no win.:rolleyes:

retrobruce
February 8th, 2008, 12:24am
Not on ePrize..they do not say per IP, nor computer , it is per person. MOSt I mean I am sure you may find one that is different but meant in general

If it was by IP number, that would DQ a lot of people that sweep from work, schools or libraries. If the computer one of many behind a router, it is likely that every computer at your location appears to the judging agencies as a single IP address.

There are others at my company that sweep... and our IP address never changes.

(just won a WWE ringtone from work.. woohoo! First prize this year and I am not going to use it. LOL!)

Jerrysgirl
February 8th, 2008, 12:28am
I wasn't, or I wasn't paying attention.
I believe you!:gvibes:

I'm off to watch LOST.
I'll catch up with the conspiracy in the morning.:curtsy:

Have a good evening folks.

:look:Please help me.....How do you know if you're on the watch list?

Thank you for anyone who could help with that question. :bouquet:

sascha_b
February 8th, 2008, 9:32am
:look:Please help me.....How do you know if you're on the watch list?

Thank you for anyone who could help with that question. :bouquet:

That's the whole gist of this thread. We're discussing whether you'd know (like you supposedly used to in the past) if you were being filtered by Eprize.

We just don't know.

pandka
February 8th, 2008, 10:03am
I take you weren't around when the whole controversy went down. Maybe the members who were affected can confirm it for you. The ban was definitely a hot topic on the boards. Members here received a message when they tried to enter the instants and had to email eprize to get the ban lifted. It's not an urban legend.

Someone please back me up. lol:grin3:

This is what I remember happening. I wasn't banned but I remember it. It was around the holidays and involved a Dell/eprize sweep. When you entered you got a Dell coupon if you didn't win the instant. People were setting up a bunch of accounts and playing to get the coupons. (Some were worth a lot of money off). What they didn't use they were trying to sell.

Unfortunately, when they cracked down, a lot of innocent sweeper were caught up in the fallout and banned from eprize sweeps as well. When they were banned it popped up on the screen telling them when they tried to enter an eprize sweep. They were able to email eprize and get the ban lifted. Some who had won a prize, though, didn't get the prize since more than once person in the household entered.

Dell has not had a big holiday sweep since. In fact, I have noticed a drop in the big holiday sweeps. I guess with the rampant cheating, people turning down stuff, etc. some have decided it's not worth the hassle.

ETA: I'm not slamming anyone for turning down something but I have read articles where the sponsor is frustrated with the winner not wanting the prize or with them asking for cash instead. There have been some sweeper who have created a big stink when the sponsor wouldn't give them cash. Anyone remember the Hasbro Toys thing a few years ago?

Pansy
February 8th, 2008, 10:53am
DH and I have won large prizes requiring affy through eprize. Have never had a problem with them as long as it is per email and not household. I guess since they know it is 2 real people here we don't have any problem entering, winning and receiving prizes.

tlak
February 8th, 2008, 11:02am
Huh? There's haven't been any tags on sweeps for the last couple of years. When there were tags, they were on very few sweeps. Why use a search engine for the sweep, most times the archived rules have the sweep website.

Here's a contest I tried to enter this morning. http://www.stoneronline.com/prizes.aspx
When you hit enter after you have entered your email address it takes you back to an OLS site.

tricia
February 8th, 2008, 11:21am
Here's a contest I tried to enter this morning. http://www.stoneronline.com/prizes.aspx
When you hit enter after you have entered your email address it takes you back to an OLS site.


Oh, I see you enter directly from OLS.

CherylD
February 8th, 2008, 11:51am
Well after reading the many posts here I am glad to hear that it's not just me. I also have not won a thing from eprize in several months. My thoughts are that if there is filtering and some are being filtered out unfairly, as I think I have been, then there isn't much we can do to change this. Eprize does not care if you were filtered unfairly or not. What they do care about are all of their clients that hand them over big bucks to run a contest for them. If you want to get eprizes attention you need to write to eprizes clients and tell them you are not going to participate in their contest, visit their website, or purchase their products and tell them why. If enough people start doing this perhaps eprize will open their eyes and start responding to people that email them with questions about their rules violations. I personally have emailed them with several questions about certain rules and have never once got a reply from them. So how do you know if your violating rules if you don't understand them.

tlak
February 8th, 2008, 12:32pm
Oh, I see you enter directly from OLS.

Point is? If you haven't see all my posts I've said I cleaned and moved sweeps to bookmarks and then late last year I started entering though OLS because of the time envolved to do that. The contest I posted appears to be tagged if it loops back to OLS.

tricia
February 8th, 2008, 12:43pm
Point is? If you haven't see all my posts I've said I cleaned and moved sweeps to bookmarks and then late last year I started entering though OLS because of the time envolved to do that. The contest I posted appears to be tagged if it loops back to OLS.


I entered just fine. I copy and paste into new browser, not tagged for me. You might be blocked becuase you entered from a sweeps site. Not sure why you're having that problem.


ETA- Maybe I'm confused with the word tag. A couple of years back there were a few sweeps that had a referrer id in the url of the sweep. I thought you meant referer id when you write about sweeps being tagged.

I would call wht happened to you entering the stoner sweep either being blocked or filtered from entering from a sweep site. Could also be something specific to your PC, software, browser or who knows what.

tlak
February 8th, 2008, 12:59pm
I entered just fine. I copy and paste into new browser, not tagged for me. You might be blocked becuase you entered from a sweeps site. Not sure why you're having that problem.

Here's what you specifically said "There's haven't been any tags on sweeps for the last couple of years". My point was, there are tags and appear to still be. If you post to a new browser, how do you know you're not taking the tag with you since it would be part of the address?
If Brent is getting so much per hit or being label as the referrer for a secondary winner, how do we know that we're not being disqualified for entering from a sweeps site?

tricia
February 8th, 2008, 1:05pm
Here's what you specifically said "There's haven't been any tags on sweeps for the last couple of years". My point was, there are tags and appear to still be. If you post to a new browser, how do you know you're not taking the tag with you since it would be part of the address?
If Brent is getting so much per hit or being label as the referrer for a secondary winner, how do we know that we're not being disqualified for entering from a sweeps site?


There are no identifying numbers or characters in the URL!

nemabema
February 8th, 2008, 1:23pm
It's a given that none of us know what factors eprize is using for filtering. We only know that eprize uses filtering as they have said that they do. That is a given. Filtering is a fact. This, again, is not the same as blacklisting which, at least in the past, eprize informed the person of the blacklisting. Filtering is an insidious process because you will never know if you are being filtered or not. You could be entering daily and following the rules and end up being filtered without your knowledge. That is the gist of this thread. I noticed that many things happened during all of this change in weather. The first thing that I noticed was that eprize sweeps universally started identifying you by name when you entered. Another thing that I noticed was the change in winning (it was abrupt, at least for some of us). OLS went to a pay site not very long prior to this. This, I'm sure, rankled eprize. Started doing some research and found that around this time eprize was not only cracking down but had gone through a major corporate restructuring. I firmly believe that there are folks caught in this filtering web who shouldn't be. Just because you are not doesn't mean that others aren't. It may pay all of us to take heed to this. Could be you next.

RockysJewel
February 8th, 2008, 1:43pm
DId you get that from the notes where someone posted it? That is when I see OLS tagged to it but I haven't seen it when it is a regular entry link

Here's a contest I tried to enter this morning. http://www.stoneronline.com/prizes.aspx
When you hit enter after you have entered your email address it takes you back to an OLS site.

carscheles
February 8th, 2008, 1:44pm
Well after reading the many posts here I am glad to hear that it's not just me. I also have not won a thing from eprize in several months. My thoughts are that if there is filtering and some are being filtered out unfairly, as I think I have been, then there isn't much we can do to change this. Eprize does not care if you were filtered unfairly or not. What they do care about are all of their clients that hand them over big bucks to run a contest for them. If you want to get eprizes attention you need to write to eprizes clients and tell them you are not going to participate in their contest, visit their website, or purchase their products and tell them why. If enough people start doing this perhaps eprize will open their eyes and start responding to people that email them with questions about their rules violations. I personally have emailed them with several questions about certain rules and have never once got a reply from them. So how do you know if your violating rules if you don't understand them.

I don't think that we should start contacting sponsors. It's still speculation right now. Even though it really does appear that they may be filtering unfairly, I wouldn't jump the gun and say I'm going to start contacting sponsors about this without some sort of proof.

RockysJewel
February 8th, 2008, 1:45pm
Exactly I copy the link put in another open browser and enter. I only do that for really big stuff jsut in case ..hehe

There are no identifying numbers or characters in the URL!

RockysJewel
February 8th, 2008, 1:47pm
I agree..

I don't think that we should start contacting sponsors. .

tlak
February 8th, 2008, 2:37pm
DId you get that from the notes where someone posted it? That is when I see OLS tagged to it but I haven't seen it when it is a regular entry link

New sweeps-regular entry link

jujyfruit0
February 8th, 2008, 3:13pm
I Contacted Them Both Today And Yesterday Via Email But Will Call Also Because The Same Is Happening To Me.

NightElf
February 8th, 2008, 3:15pm
Well after reading the many posts here I am glad to hear that it's not just me. I also have not won a thing from eprize in several months. My thoughts are that if there is filtering and some are being filtered out unfairly, as I think I have been, then there isn't much we can do to change this. Eprize does not care if you were filtered unfairly or not. What they do care about are all of their clients that hand them over big bucks to run a contest for them. If you want to get eprizes attention you need to write to eprizes clients and tell them you are not going to participate in their contest, visit their website, or purchase their products and tell them why. If enough people start doing this perhaps eprize will open their eyes and start responding to people that email them with questions about their rules violations. I personally have emailed them with several questions about certain rules and have never once got a reply from them. So how do you know if your violating rules if you don't understand them.


So you haven't won and now you are accusing eprize of being unfair?
If you want something guaranteed, enter to get freebies.

Maybe eprize comes accross this thread :laugh:

Texxy
February 8th, 2008, 3:33pm
Well I haven't won anything for quite some time. We moved from Kansas to Tenn and I won ALOT more when I lived in Kansas. I have entered more since moving to Tenn. I do hope that Eprize isn't filtering, I haven't won anything from them since I started sweeping. Would like to take my name off of the no win list if there is one.

sascha_b
February 8th, 2008, 3:36pm
So you haven't won and now you are accusing eprize of being unfair?
If you want something guaranteed, enter to get freebies.

Maybe eprize comes accross this thread :laugh:

Not exactly, NightElf...
It's more like if you've had a pattern over time with a certain survey site, and all of a sudden you can't qualify for a thing.

I know it's not a perfect analogy for many reasons.....but I would think if that happened to you and there was a policy or practice published that might affect your experience, that you might explore it.

That's all this thread is about.

And I hope Eprize is lurking. :goodevil:

cappyone
February 8th, 2008, 3:43pm
I too agree that contacting sponsers is not the answer at this point. However, I do believe that contacting eprize with "concerns and questions" about this issue would be a good idea. It seems that so many are fearful of dealing with eprize about these issues. Scared of eprize?? If enough people would contact them about this maybe they would clarify their policies and inform people in the rules what that policy is. They say they "filter". Filter what, filter whom, filter how??? A filter could be triggered just for entering daily or any other reason. I'm sure that if they caught you cheating you would be blacklisted. They already said that they would let you know about that. But filtering you would never know. Continue to play the instants daily getting all the correct screens but never a win. Eprize gets their site hits and what do you get? Nada.

Nubbs820
February 8th, 2008, 3:54pm
Not exactly, NightElf...
It's more like if you've had a pattern over time with a certain survey site, and all of a sudden you can't qualify for a thing.

I know it's not a perfect analogy for many reasons.....but I would think if that happened to you and there was a policy or practice published that might affect your experience, that you might explore it.

That's all this thread is about.

And I hope Eprize is lurking. :goodevil:

Yeah because they want to know about any new conspiracy theories sweepers have came up with because they're on a dry spell. :clever::nana:

sascha_b
February 8th, 2008, 3:58pm
But filtering you would never know. Continue to play the instants daily getting all the correct screens but never a win. Eprize gets their site hits and what do you get? Nada.

Well, at this point they're getting one less hit daily. DH is "forbidden" to enter ePrize instants until furthur notice or clarification from ePrize.:baghead:

I love this hobby, and the fun I have with it. Have no desire to jeopardize that...

I might be plugging away needlessly, but only the future will tell. But I won't forever give up my hits for free forever.....

Although it would suck, as ePrize is becoming the biggest game in town....:cry2:

tricia
February 8th, 2008, 4:00pm
Yeah because they want to know about any new conspiracy theories sweepers have came up with because they're on a dry spell. :clever::nana:

Too funny! Love your response!

sascha_b
February 8th, 2008, 4:10pm
Yeah because they want to know about any new conspiracy theories sweepers have came up with because they're on a dry spell. :clever::nana:

Nah, I just think it would be nice to get some clarification. I'm sure you're aware I have issues that way...

:tongue:

margarita_mama
February 8th, 2008, 4:19pm
Eprize gets their site hits and what do you get? Nada.

I've just been sitting back reading this thread each day, although I did post earlier (a few days ago) in it.

ePrize is hired, and paid, by their clients, the sponsors. ePrize does not "owe" anybody here anything. They answer to the sponsors, and frankly, that is why I stated earlier that they never have and most likely never will, answer individual questions in a public manner. They are simply not obligated to do so. If the sponsor of the sweep is happy with what ePrize is doing for them, that is all ePrize should be concerned about.
Please don't mistake that fact with the idea that I would condone contacting sponsors....I don't. I think that would be a huge mistake at this point.
Filtering, non-filtering....I think way too much time is being invested into all of this. This is supposed to be a hobby. If one thinks ePrize is running a conspiracy theory to single out any one person, or a group of people, for that matter....I just don't get why you would not just pass that sweep over and go on to others.
Yes, I am aware that ePrize runs the majority of the instant sweeps, but ePrize, nor their clients, for that matter, owe you a "win" from any of them, and ePrize themselves probably don't have a care in the world whether you choose to enter any given sweep or not. The client/sponsor is the one gaining the exposure of the sweepstakes, but....
just because I don't get a "win" from any given sweep does not mean that I will not purchase their product.
What are you going to say to any sponsor you would contact? Just curious for those that think this is a good idea.

sascha_b
February 8th, 2008, 4:31pm
What are you going to say to any sponsor you would contact? Just curious for those that think this is a good idea.

I think only one poster mentioned that, and most of the active participants of this thread gently suggested that's not the way to go.

And personally, for me...as far as the "owe" factor...no one owes me anything. I'm just trying to improve the way I do my hobby, and exploring some ideas.

LastLaugh
February 8th, 2008, 5:13pm
Myself, DH nor kids have won from ePrize in over 6 months. I just don't think that's a cooincedence.
Which may not be a coincidence. If an eprize sweeps is getting slammed with who knows how many entries from the same IP over a very short period of time it may have been filtered. I have always entered only for myself and in the last year have seen a substantial increase in wins. I have been saying for years that the same person entering other people should result in disqualification of all entries. In the case of Eprize this may have come true, to my benefit.

sundonja
February 8th, 2008, 5:27pm
Hubby and I have won from the same E-Prize instant win sweep on more than one occasion where it is one time per person.

Might I just add, welcome to sweeping. There are no guarentees. When something goes wrong, or should I say doesn't go to your liking, please do not automatically assume there is a giant consperacy against you. The fact is no one really cares about you that much to single you out because they don't like your last name or some other piece of foolish nonsense. Grow up people!!!

cappyone
February 8th, 2008, 5:37pm
I've just been sitting back reading this thread each day, although I did post earlier (a few days ago) in it.

ePrize is hired, and paid, by their clients, the sponsors. ePrize does not "owe" anybody here anything. They answer to the sponsors, and frankly, that is why I stated earlier that they never have and most likely never will, answer individual questions in a public manner. They are simply not obligated to do so. If the sponsor of the sweep is happy with what ePrize is doing for them, that is all ePrize should be concerned about.
Please don't mistake that fact with the idea that I would condone contacting sponsors....I don't. I think that would be a huge mistake at this point.
Filtering, non-filtering....I think way too much time is being invested into all of this. This is supposed to be a hobby. If one thinks ePrize is running a conspiracy theory to single out any one person, or a group of people, for that matter....I just don't get why you would not just pass that sweep over and go on to others.
Yes, I am aware that ePrize runs the majority of the instant sweeps, but ePrize, nor their clients, for that matter, owe you a "win" from any of them, and ePrize themselves probably don't have a care in the world whether you choose to enter any given sweep or not. The client/sponsor is the one gaining the exposure of the sweepstakes, but....
just because I don't get a "win" from any given sweep does not mean that I will not purchase their product.
What are you going to say to any sponsor you would contact? Just curious for those that think this is a good idea.

All well and good. No one here says eprize "owes" them anything. We also don't owe them our survey info or personal info etc and then get filtered out of the contests they administrate.I know that I'm just saying run a clean sweepstakes that is fair to all. Yes, YOU also don't have to enter anything and may even stop if you were experiencing the same thing. I don't enter a lot of eprize connected sweeps anymore. Yes, I also know that eprize doesn't give a rip about those who enter the sweeps. It is all about the client. That being said, eprize counts on hits to increase revenue and they use the information submitted by entrants for surveys,addresses etc.. They are swift in following up with emails to my address. Be fair eprize and inform people of the standards that you are using to "filter" folks (which you admit doing). I enjoy this hobby as well as you probably do. There is no reason that I would end up caught in some filter and not even know why/how/when.

cappyone
February 8th, 2008, 5:44pm
Which may not be a coincidence. If an eprize sweeps is getting slammed with who knows how many entries from the same IP over a very short period of time it may have been filtered. I have always entered only for myself and in the last year have seen a substantial increase in wins. I have been saying for years that the same person entering other people should result in disqualification of all entries. In the case of Eprize this may have come true, to my benefit.

That's fine that you are happy with that Last. However, many of eprize sweeps are "one entry daily per person". Okay, there are 2 people here-my dh and myself. He enters from his profile and I enter from mine. We each have memberships to OLS. We keep it all very separate. If eprize wants ONLY ONE ENTRY PER HOUSEHOLD for all sweeps then they should say that in the rules. The point is that they don't. Many of the rules of the sweeps are murky at best.

cappyone
February 8th, 2008, 5:46pm
Hubby and I have won from the same E-Prize instant win sweep on more than one occasion where it is one time per person.

Might I just add, welcome to sweeping. There are no guarentees. When something goes wrong, or should I say doesn't go to your liking, please do not automatically assume there is a giant consperacy against you. The fact is no one really cares about you that much to single you out because they don't like your last name or some other piece of foolish nonsense. Grow up people!!!

It appears that you may not have been sweeping long enough to be concerned about filtering.

margarita_mama
February 8th, 2008, 5:47pm
That being said, eprize counts on hits to increase revenue and they use the information submitted by entrants for surveys,addresses etc..

I don't know too much about the caffeine sweeps as I don't bother with them, but are you saying that ePrize or the sponsor uses the information gathered on the entry form?
I think I read on her that ePrize does get a percentage off of the hits of the caffeine sweeps...but are you sure they are getting $ from the non-caffeine hits?

cappyone
February 8th, 2008, 5:51pm
I don't know too much about the caffeine sweeps as I don't bother with them, but are you saying that ePrize or the sponsor uses the information gathered on the entry form?
I think I read on her that ePrize does get a percentage off of the hits of the caffeine sweeps...but are you sure they are getting $ from the non-caffeine hits?

Site hits also generate income for eprize in establishing and keeping a client base.

nekineki
February 8th, 2008, 10:18pm
....And as someone already said, sweeping ain't for sissies! ;)

GLTA!

jenninshelby
February 8th, 2008, 10:36pm
CherylD, That is not gonna happen. Way tooooo many peeps win from Eprize for you to ever see some boycott. Not gonna happen.

Nubbs820
February 8th, 2008, 11:16pm
CherylD, That is not gonna happen. Way tooooo many peeps win from Eprize for you to ever see some boycott. Not gonna happen.

I didn't read the whole thread, but if there is a boycott planned.. someone PM me that day cuz I'm gonna win! :cheer3: :rofl2:

RockysJewel
February 8th, 2008, 11:29pm
same here !!!!!!!!!!

I didn't read the whole thread, but if there is a boycott planned.. someone PM me that day cuz I'm gonna win! :cheer3: :rofl2:

junebugged
February 9th, 2008, 3:15am
no win day two.....

carscheles
February 9th, 2008, 5:16am
"Promotion S.A.F.E. is a detailed
screening tactic that filters out individuals who attempt to enter a promotion
or sweepstakes unfairly, blocking "rule-breakers" to ensure promotions are
fair for all consumers who participate. These practices can dramatically clog
or even disable online promotions costing companies hundreds of thousands of
dollars."

" 3) IP Blocking - A Web page informs the player that his or her IP address
has been associated with previous fraudulent activities and shuts the player
completely out of any ePrize promotion.
4) De-duper - People who try to enter multiple individuals under the same
address can be filtered out if some of the information they provide matches
that of another registered profile.
5) Blacklist - This global master list compiled by ePrize records previous
fraudulent offenders and prevents them from entering future promotions for any
ePrize clients."


"Promotion S.A.F.E. is going to save our clients time, money and
reputation," said Linkner. "In the end, businesses will collect much cleaner
data from each Internet promotion and participants will enjoy a fair
competition. ePrize's online games and contests are about winning -- prizes
for the consumer and new customers for the merchant -- and Promotion S.A.F.E.
offers a win-win opportunity for everyone."

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=109&STORY=/www/story/03-28-2005/0003285725&EDATE=

Facts
ePrize has a filtering system.
We don't know the exact criteria they use to decide who will be filtered.
We don't know how their software is set up to catch people who are "unfaily entering".
There is a difference between filtering, blocking, and blacklisting. Blacklisting prevents you from entering, blocking informs you that you are blocked, and filtering just filters you out (without any apparant notification).
Promotion S.A.F.E. is designed to collect cleaner data, and provide new customers for the merchant.

Based on the facts above, we don't know how they decide to filter. We don't know how they give cleaner data and new customers to their clients. We don't know if they would notify you if you are filtered (it looks like they don't). We don't know if there are any glitches in the software that pick you out by mistake - how could we know if there was a mistake made if we're not informed that we're being filtered?

And yes, ePrize does owe us the courtesy of telling us we are filtered. They are asking for our personal information in exchange for a chance for us to win something. If I'm not eligible to win, then they're not entitled to use my personal information to make money.

nekineki
February 9th, 2008, 6:13am
"Promotion S.A.F.E. is a detailed
screening tactic that filters out individuals who attempt to enter a promotion
or sweepstakes unfairly, blocking "rule-breakers" to ensure promotions are
fair for all consumers who participate. These practices can dramatically clog
or even disable online promotions costing companies hundreds of thousands of
dollars."

" 3) IP Blocking - A Web page informs the player that his or her IP address
has been associated with previous fraudulent activities and shuts the player
completely out of any ePrize promotion.
4) De-duper - People who try to enter multiple individuals under the same
address can be filtered out if some of the information they provide matches
that of another registered profile.
5) Blacklist - This global master list compiled by ePrize records previous
fraudulent offenders and prevents them from entering future promotions for any
ePrize clients."


"Promotion S.A.F.E. is going to save our clients time, money and
reputation," said Linkner. "In the end, businesses will collect much cleaner
data from each Internet promotion and participants will enjoy a fair
competition. ePrize's online games and contests are about winning -- prizes
for the consumer and new customers for the merchant -- and Promotion S.A.F.E.
offers a win-win opportunity for everyone."

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=109&STORY=/www/story/03-28-2005/0003285725&EDATE=

Facts
ePrize has a filtering system.
We don't know the exact criteria they use to decide who will be filtered.
We don't know how their software is set up to catch people who are "unfaily entering".
There is a difference between filtering, blocking, and blacklisting. Blacklisting prevents you from entering, blocking informs you that you are blocked, and filtering just filters you out (without any apparant notification).
Promotion S.A.F.E. is designed to collect cleaner data, and provide new customers for the merchant.

Based on the facts above, we don't know how they decide to filter. We don't know how they give cleaner data and new customers to their clients. We don't know if they would notify you if you are filtered (it looks like they don't). We don't know if there are any glitches in the software that pick you out by mistake - how could we know if there was a mistake made if we're not informed that we're being filtered?

And yes, ePrize does owe us the courtesy of telling us we are filtered. They are asking for our personal information in exchange for a chance for us to win something. If I'm not eligible to win, then they're not entitled to use my personal information to make money.

Ok, but why only ePrize? Why all of you think that other JAs don't have their anti-fraudulent programs? Isn't it normal that they have them? Isn't preventing frauds part of their job? As numerous people already stated here, play by the rules and you have nothing to worry about.

I don't see anything in this text which is alarming. Filtering-out numerous (and I mean numerous) entries from the same location (IP or address)/phone number or the same combination of both is a good thing, dont'ya think?

So, while it's true that we don't know the exact criteria for that filtering, (i.e. how much is too many from the same location, 2 or 5), we can assume that 2 should be OK.
Why? Well because quite a few people posted that both spouses enter and win, myself and DH included. Or enter just for yourself and don't worry.

About winning and non-winning. Many will enter, few will win. If particular sweep gives, lets say 4,000 movie tickets, and lets say 10,000 people enter (which is BTW rather low number), you'll still have in the end 6,000 persons who won zilch, and if the prize is not limited to one per person, well the number of non-winners can be even higher. So I guess in this scenario if you don't win you'll be sure to think that you're somehow deliberately filtered-out. Well, think again.

GLTA!

LastLaugh
February 9th, 2008, 6:27am
4) De-duper - People who try to enter multiple individuals under the same
address can be filtered out if some of the information they provide matches
that of another registered profile.

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=109&STORY=/www/story/03-28-2005/0003285725&EDATE=

Facts
ePrize has a filtering system.
We don't know the exact criteria they use to decide who will be filtered.

What it looks like is that filtering is done to remove duplicate entries from the same person. The same address won't trigger it, but other matching information will. Don't marry a spouse with the same birth year and birthday as you or having the same first name and you'll go a long way towards solving any filtering problem you may have.

With the amount of outright cheating that has been exposed on this and other boards, I say kudos to Eprize for trying to weed out cheaters.

carscheles
February 9th, 2008, 6:52am
Let me give you an example of why this isn't fair. My mother and I both enter sweepstakes. We have almost identical names, my name is Carol and her's is Carolyn. I kept my maiden name, which is an unusual name (let's say Xyd is my maiden name).

Now we have Carol Xyd and Carolyn Xyd entering. Although we have different email addresses, different home addresses, and different phone numbers, what if their software noticed the similarities in name and filtered us out? Their software may have filtered both of us out and every other person in both of our households and we wouldn't know it.

So this is an example of what could happen if you play by the rules and are filtered by accident.

Edited to add, I could take this one step further. My husband and my son have almost the same name, my husband's legal name is Mike, and my son's legal name is Michael. So they aren't legally Jr. & Sr. Some sweeps they are both eligible to enter. Once again, ePrize's software could filter out the similarities in names and think that there is cheating going on.

LastLaugh
February 9th, 2008, 7:56am
Let me give you an example of why this isn't fair. My mother and I both enter sweepstakes. We have almost identical names, my name is Carol and her's is Carolyn. I kept my maiden name, which is an unusual name (let's say Xyd is my maiden name).

Now we have Carol Xyd and Carolyn Xyd entering. Although we have different email addresses, different home addresses, and different phone numbers, what if their software noticed the similarities in name and filtered us out? Their software may have filtered both of us out and every other person in both of our households and we wouldn't know it.

So this is an example of what could happen if you play by the rules and are filtered by accident.

Edited to add, I could take this one step further. My husband and my son have almost the same name, my husband's legal name is Mike, and my son's legal name is Michael. So they aren't legally Jr. & Sr. Some sweeps they are both eligible to enter. Once again, ePrize's software could filter out the similarities in names and think that there is cheating going on.
In the first example, it wouldn't be filtered, different home addresses. In the second example you could be out of luck. But from what is posted at OLS, it seems like in most instances one person is usually entering for more than one person in the household, so no pity from me. Although someone from OLS once recieved an email saying that one person entering for multiple people was OK, is this actually Eprize policy? I would have to wonder, given Eprize's security measures. Personally I see it as only as a difference of scale from a paid automated entry company.

tlak
February 9th, 2008, 8:08am
Ok, but why only ePrize? Why all of you think that other JAs don't have their anti-fraudulent programs? Isn't it normal that they have them? Isn't preventing frauds part of their job? As numerous people already stated here, play by the rules and you have nothing to worry about.

I don't see anything in this text which is alarming. Filtering-out numerous (and I mean numerous) entries from the same location (IP or address)/phone number or the same combination of both is a good thing, dont'ya think?

So, while it's true that we don't know the exact criteria for that filtering, (i.e. how much is too many from the same location, 2 or 5), we can assume that 2 should be OK.
Why? Well because quite a few people posted that both spouses enter and win, myself and DH included. Or enter just for yourself and don't worry.

About winning and non-winning. Many will enter, few will win. If particular sweep gives, lets say 4,000 movie tickets, and lets say 10,000 people enter (which is BTW rather low number), you'll still have in the end 6,000 persons who won zilch, and if the prize is not limited to one per person, well the number of non-winners can be even higher. So I guess in this scenario if you don't win you'll be sure to think that you're somehow deliberately filtered-out. Well, think again.

GLTA!

How do you know that the others, none winning, have accidently been filtered, thereby increasing your odds?

Vicky
February 9th, 2008, 8:16am
I wonder what they think about me too sometimes. My daughter has lived with me twice and entered some of the sweeps (and still enters a couple now and then from my computer with this address because she doesn't have a computer and still gets some of her mail here) and my sons live here on and off all the time, mostly on now, and enter sometimes. I also have gone through different pets. lol I hope they are being reasonable and have some exact criteria for filtering and not just pellmell guess who they think is cheating.. I think if you follow the rules, you should be ok. Although, I don't win much from eprize , I do win on some rare occasions. I won one of my best sweeps ( a gap gift card) and my daughter and I both entered it.

carscheles
February 9th, 2008, 8:18am
In the first example, it wouldn't be filtered, different home addresses. In the second example you could be out of luck. But from what is posted at OLS, it seems like in most instances one person is usually entering for more than one person in the household, so no pity from me. Although someone from OLS once recieved an email saying that one person entering for multiple people was OK, is this actually Eprize policy? I would have to wonder, given Eprize's security measures. Personally I see it as only as a difference of scale from a paid automated entry company.

How do you know for sure that the first example wouldn't be filtered? We've heard of cheaters who use their name but other people's addresses. Nobody knows for certain that if ePrize looked at this scenerio that they wouldn't filter just to be on the safe side.

If ePrize told me that it appears that something fishy is going on because of the similarities in names, I could without a doubt prove to them that all is legit. Problem is, if they never tell me I'm filtered out, then how can I prove that this is not a case of cheating?

Porkchop
February 9th, 2008, 8:41am
This stops all the cheats out there.....BTW, this is entering sweepstakes, it's not like someone shorted you on a paycheck. Some people are taking this way too serious. Lighten up, folow the rules, and be happy to win something :-)

Leave the stress to the things that really matter in life. Isn't there enough stress already? Why take it out on e-prize for implementing rules they deem to be fair. As soon as you start giving away prizes, you can make your own rules.

LastLaugh
February 9th, 2008, 8:44am
How do you know for sure that the first example wouldn't be filtered? We've heard of cheaters who use their name but other people's addresses. Nobody knows for certain that if ePrize looked at this scenerio that they wouldn't filter just to be on the safe side.

4) De-duper - People who try to enter multiple individuals under the same
address can be filtered out if some of the information they provide matches
that of another registered profile.

ravengoth
February 9th, 2008, 8:45am
I won a rachel ray magnetic clipboard (?) and a blockbuster popcorn, and that is all for instants since last summer. As frustrating as that is, I think its a result of fewer prizes coupled with more sweepers, and I blame the lousy economy for both.

LastLaugh
February 9th, 2008, 8:49am
Why take it out on e-prize for implementing rules they deem to be fair.
Exactly, Eprize is trying to provide the sponsors with sweepstakes devoid of fraud. Don't blame Eprize for trying to protect the integrity of it's business. Blame the scumbag cheaters that forced it to enact the security measures.

Porkchop
February 9th, 2008, 9:00am
Exactly, Eprize is trying to provide the sponsors with sweepstakes devoid of fraud. Don't blame Eprize for trying to protect the integrity of it's business. Blame the scumbag cheaters that forced it to enact the security measures.


I would hope that all JA's would have something simular in place to catch the cheats if I were the sponser.

carscheles
February 9th, 2008, 9:04am
You're right that ePrize had to do this because of the "scum" cheaters.

I am not questioning their reasons for doing this. I agree that it needed to be done. But I am questioning the way they're doing it. If I'm filtered because it "appears" that I'm cheating, then that's not fair to me.

I'm sure that if you were in the same boat, and felt that you were probably being unfairly filtered out of sweesptakes, you'd be uspet too.

tlak
February 9th, 2008, 9:10am
....And as someone already said, sweeping ain't for sissies! ;)

GLTA!

You might be the first on that one, Juicyfruit. LOL

My contesting experience might be longer than you've been alive, not knowing your age.
First win late 1970s.

For you others, "they don't owe you a pay check" etc., I spend hours at the computer everyday, all year, and they don't owe me anything but I would like to know if I'm wasting my time because of a computer glitch. So if any of you all aren't worried about your wins, just mail them on over.

The contest people do owe somebody something. for collecting the info and customers, they owe the winners the specified prize at the given value.

I did call Eprize and they don't answer to inquiries, please leave a message, but did specify emailing them. It also says emails will be answered in 3+ days.

sewingmema56
February 9th, 2008, 9:16am
I often wonder if the sweeps delete multiple contest entries received from one IP address although more than 1 person is entering the contests. My wins are small so if that is the case I should tell my husband he can't enter.:encore:

sascha_b
February 9th, 2008, 9:16am
What it looks like is that filtering is done to remove duplicate entries from the same person. The same address won't trigger it, but other matching information will. Don't marry a spouse with the same birth year and birthday as you or having the same first name and you'll go a long way towards solving any filtering problem you may have.



Yeah, but if you accidently hit the wrong Robo key, you could be scr*wed. :shocked2:

We're no longer talking your entry just being disqualified, we're talking all your entries from then on will be.
Without you knowing and having any way to rectify the situation. That should be of concern to everyone.

TawnyNY
February 9th, 2008, 9:25am
Yeah, but if you accidently hit the wrong Robo key, you could be scr*wed. :shocked2:

We're no longer talking your entry just being disqualified, we're talking all your entries from then on will be.
Without you knowing and having any way to rectify the situation. That should be of concern to everyone.


I read somewhere on the net that some judges discard duplicates that they match by same phone numbers. If you entering for spouse too, I would put a different contact number like a cell phone number instead of home phone.

Nubbs820
February 9th, 2008, 9:28am
:munch: Just saving my spot to mark how far I read up.

LastLaugh
February 9th, 2008, 9:35am
I often wonder if the sweeps delete multiple contest entries received from one IP address although more than 1 person is entering the contests. My wins are small so if that is the case I should tell my husband he can't enter.:encore:
From what I've seen most "one per IP" simply delete any entries after the first from their databases. So the first entry would still be valid. Pity anyone using an ISP with dynamically assigned IP addresses.
There are some smaller sweeps that take a hard-line stance and will delete all entries if a duplicate entry appears.
Most sweeps are "one per household" (second entry with matching address deleted), "one per email" (second entry with matching email address deleted) etc.

But some JA's have gotten wise to the cheaters and look for near matching criteria.
Example J. Smith 1000 Mockingbird Lane, Missauga, MO 65444
Jackie Smith 1000 Mockingbird Lane Apt. A, Missauga, MO 65444
Jacklyn Smith 1000 Mockingbird Lane Misauga, MO 65444

sascha_b
February 9th, 2008, 9:55am
But some JA's have gotten wise to the cheaters and look for near matching criteria.
Example J. Smith 1000 Mockingbird Lane, Missauga, MO 65444
Jackie Smith 1000 Mockingbird Lane Apt. A, Missauga, MO 65444
Jacklyn Smith 1000 Mockingbird Lane Misauga, MO 65444
and

I read somewhere on the net that some judges discard duplicates that they match by same phone numbers. If you entering for spouse too, I would put a different contact number like a cell phone number instead of home phone.

This is all I've been trying to point out. Hopefully new folks starting out will read this and really consider how they enter, how to do it appropriately, and to really make sure they don't make mistakes.

Because Eprize is on the cutting edge of "filtering" technology. And it's no longer a human making those decisions, it's a program with no ability to decide. It's just gonna spit you out according to how it's programmed. And what works for Eprize is going to be followed by other JAs.

joyce14120
February 9th, 2008, 10:00am
On Superbowl Sunday a few of my friends were over. We all saw the tide commercial and tried to win free stuff from my pc. 3 of the 4 women did. Now the one who didn't win has tried every day, from my pc because hers is down and she's here anyway for other reasons. No win. It's impossible not to win so now I'm afraid my isp address is blocked from winning. I have't won an instant since. Help! - I'm the only one who plays all of the rest of the instants on my pc with the exception of my kids who play the kid instants.

sascha_b
February 9th, 2008, 10:07am
On Superbowl Sunday a few of my friends were over. We all saw the tide commercial and tried to win free stuff from my pc. 3 of the 4 women did. Now the one who didn't win has tried every day, from my pc because hers is down and she's here anyway for other reasons. No win. It's impossible not to win so now I'm afraid my isp address is blocked from winning. I have't won an instant since. Help! - I'm the only one who plays all of the rest of the instants on my pc with the exception of my kids who play the kid instants.

It's not an eprize sweep, and in the rules it says:

Limit one game play/entry per registrant per e-mail per day. If more than one game play/entry per registrant per day is received, only the first game play/entry for that registrant will be eligible

So I'd guess they are set up to cut off only duplicate entries by scanning emails.
It also allows for more than one prize per email, so I'm thinking the rules are not as strict.
I wouldn't worry about it.

Now maybe some day if PG decides to follow suite with more stringent filtering like Eprize, then yes it could affect your entry.

And it is possible not to win....I haven't! :rofl2:

margarita_mama
February 9th, 2008, 12:45pm
And yes, ePrize does owe us the courtesy of telling us we are filtered. They are asking for our personal information in exchange for a chance for us to win something. If I'm not eligible to win, then they're not entitled to use my personal information to make money.

I still stand by my claim that ePrize does not owe us any kind of explanation as to how they may be filtering. They are NOT requiring /forcing you into entering the "contract" of giving your personal information over to them. You are doing it voluntarily, based upon the information you are agreeing to in the rules and the privacy policies involved.

If you don't like the rules/privacy policy....you are not being forced to give your personal information to them.

tricia
February 9th, 2008, 12:59pm
I still stand by my claim that ePrize does not owe us any kind of explanation as to how they may be filtering. They are NOT requiring /forcing you into entering the "contract" of giving your personal information over to them. You are doing it voluntarily, based upon the information you are agreeing to in the rules and the privacy policies involved.

If you don't like the rules/privacy policy....you are not being forced to give your personal information to them.

Good point, I agree.

Mumto5girls2boys
February 9th, 2008, 12:59pm
I enter and win from eprize all the time. Whatever group they have me in, they can keep me there.

tricia
February 9th, 2008, 1:04pm
I enter and win from eprize all the time. Whatever group they have me in, they can keep me there.


Me, too I hand type entries and only enter for myself. Not sure if that has anything to do with it.

itspossible
February 9th, 2008, 1:04pm
I have had nothing but really good experiences with eprize. But something I have been thinking about since this thread started is that eprize is a slice of the sweepers pie, but not the entire thing.

If we are not winning other sweeps then this probably has nothing to do with filtering and everything to do with an increase of sweepers, and more experienced sweepers as well.

The competition is stiff. A favorite snail sweeps newsletter also transitioned into offering both online and offline entering because so many sweeps now do offer more than one method of entry. It just makes sense that the internet would draw more people eventually.

I also have noticed far less vehicle sweeps than in the past, and many more trips without airfare. Many more contests which require a blog post or a short video. Looks like I am going to have to learn how to do that.

Let's hope it picks up as we go further into 2008!

Reverie
February 9th, 2008, 1:52pm
If you have reason to believe that you are being filtered, then I suspect you also know the reason why.

It seems that too many people confuse "what the rules mean" with "what I have gotten away with and won." Just because you have won in the past using some gray area of entering does not mean that you followed the rules.

"Also, ePrize is de-duping to screen people who enter many individuals under the same address." http://www.dmnews.com/EPrize-Aims-to-Safeguard-Online-Contests-From-Fraud/article/87087/

How can this not be more clear? And this is not new. This article is three years old. If you have been given a three-year grace period to learn and adhere to the rules before being filtered, how can you ask for sympathy and explanation now?

Assuming something is legal because you got away with it is really the most infantile sort of logic.

Try a different approach - ask yourself if you would honestly admit to a JA that you enter for other members of your household, friends or family members. If you would not admit that (or haven't in the past), then you know that it's wrong.

stinkmow2000
February 9th, 2008, 3:06pm
I know some people are stating that if your not cheating, you have nothing to worry about.
I don't cheat, but you guys got me all paranoid. I recently changed my email address.
Some of the dailys i enter, started off with one email address and now i entered with my new email address. would this set off their filter?
I spend hours everyday doing this. whats the point if i can't win. This is a hobby and it should be fun. But losing all the time isn't fun.
jim:dontknow:

sascha_b
February 9th, 2008, 3:17pm
If you have reason to believe that you are being filtered, then I suspect you also know the reason why.

I take it you believe I am cheating.
I would guess I could not convince you otherwise.

Try a different approach - ask yourself if you would honestly admit to a JA that you enter for other members of your household, friends or family members. If you would not admit that (or haven't in the past), then you know that it's wrong.

I enter myself, my DH enters himself, and yes I have entered for him when he travels and is unable to do so. When I do, it's instants and a few highly desired sweeps. I learned here that entering your spouse is a common practice and acceptable. If it is not, then I'll stop doing it.

I do not enter anyone else. My kids each enter themselves.

I give up.......:frown5:

tricia
February 9th, 2008, 3:32pm
I give up.......:frown5:

Awe don't give up!

Nobody here knows for sure what ePrize really means when it comes to their rules.


Some people think one person per household per day, some think one entry per person per day.

Base your household entries on what you feel comfortable with, not what I or anyone else feels comfortable with.

Good luck!

tlak
February 9th, 2008, 3:37pm
If you have reason to believe that you are being filtered, then I suspect you also know the reason why.

It seems that too many people confuse "what the rules mean" with "what I have gotten away with and won." Just because you have won in the past using some gray area of entering does not mean that you followed the rules.

"Also, ePrize is de-duping to screen people who enter many individuals under the same address." http://www.dmnews.com/EPrize-Aims-to-Safeguard-Online-Contests-From-Fraud/article/87087/

How can this not be more clear? And this is not new. This article is three years old. If you have been given a three-year grace period to learn and adhere to the rules before being filtered, how can you ask for sympathy and explanation now?

Assuming something is legal because you got away with it is really the most infantile sort of logic.

Try a different approach - ask yourself if you would honestly admit to a JA that you enter for other members of your household, friends or family members. If you would not admit that (or haven't in the past), then you know that it's wrong.

I think you're missing the gist of this thread. :rolleyes2 People are concerned because the quantity of their usual wins are down, and that they may be mistakenly caught up in the filter. I think the ones obviously cheating are not posting here Duh.

Reverie
February 9th, 2008, 3:59pm
I take it you believe I am cheating.
I would guess I could not convince you otherwise.



I enter myself, my DH enters himself, and yes I have entered for him when he travels and is unable to do so. When I do, it's instants and a few highly desired sweeps. I learned here that entering your spouse is a common practice and acceptable. If it is not, then I'll stop doing it.

I do not enter anyone else. My kids each enter themselves.

I give up.......:frown5:

You don't have to explain it to me. I'm not the one with the filter.


I think you're missing the gist of this thread. :rolleyes2 People are concerned because the quantity of their usual wins are down, and that they may be mistakenly caught up in the filter. I think the ones obviously cheating are not posting here Duh.

Well, no, apparently you missed the point. Some people are concerned because their methods of entering in the past may now be the cause of filtering and that causes the quantity of their usual wins to go down. I don't know if they thought it was cheating or not but what people get away with is not necessarily the same as what is acceptable according to the rules. What is acceptable to members of a sweeps site may not be acceptable to the sweeps administrators, believe it or not. Duh.

Every sweep is different - even every ePrize sweep is different because they have different rules and different sponsors - so there is no one universal answer to "what does ePrize mean?" But the stated intent of the ePrize de-duping filter is clear.

"Also, ePrize is de-duping to screen people who enter many individuals under the same address." http://www.dmnews.com/EPrize-Aims-to...article/87087/


They made it clear, not me. Do I need to make that clearer for you?

Alimar
February 9th, 2008, 4:06pm
Oh my goodness! I just won something from ePrize! Seriously, after posting several times in this thread about how I could not win from them anymore and had never won from them on this computer. It was a very small ($3) prize in a sweep with thousands of prizes, but it's a real prize and I'd entered for it 40 times previously without ever winning, so I am amazed! Maybe my curse is over. ;)

nekineki
February 9th, 2008, 4:35pm
How do you know that the others, none winning, have accidently been filtered, thereby increasing your odds?

Um, not sure where in my post I said that?

I just stated that deduping or filtering-out should be a good thing for anyone who doesn't cheat.
About entries accidentally filtered-out, well I guess like in most things you can't guarantee that the system is fault-proof, I guess mistakes do happen.
So, if you are worried, enter just for one per household, even if it says per person.

GLTA!

tlak
February 9th, 2008, 4:35pm
You don't have to explain it to me. I'm not the one with the filter.




Well, no, apparently you missed the point. Some people are concerned because their methods of entering in the past may now be the cause of filtering and that causes the quantity of their usual wins to go down. I don't know if they thought it was cheating or not but what people get away with is not necessarily the same as what is acceptable according to the rules. What is acceptable to members of a sweeps site may not be acceptable to the sweeps administrators, believe it or not. Duh.

Every sweep is different - even every ePrize sweep is different because they have different rules and different sponsors - so there is no one universal answer to "what does ePrize mean?" But the stated intent of the ePrize de-duping filter is clear.

"Also, ePrize is de-duping to screen people who enter many individuals under the same address." http://www.dmnews.com/EPrize-Aims-to...article/87087/


They made it clear, not me. Do I need to make that clearer for you?

This is what the original poster said "It looks as if you can be "filtered out" if more than one person in your household enters. This could happen even if it is within the rules that entries can be "per person"." Where did you get your interpretation? Other people were worried about getting inappropriately filtered, not causing the filtering. DUH:rolleyes2

sascha_b
February 9th, 2008, 4:46pm
Where did you get your interpretation? Other people were worried about getting inappropriately filtered, not causing the filtering. DUH:rolleyes2

Thank you for clarifying that, tlak.:bouquet:

Oh my goodness! I just won something from ePrize! Seriously, after posting several times in this thread about how I could not win from them anymore and had never won from them on this computer. It was a very small ($3) prize in a sweep with thousands of prizes, but it's a real prize and I'd entered for it 40 times previously without ever winning, so I am amazed! Maybe my curse is over. ;)

Excellent news, Alimar.
Congrats!

nekineki
February 9th, 2008, 4:47pm
I enter and win from eprize all the time. Whatever group they have me in, they can keep me there.

Ditto :)

RockysJewel
February 9th, 2008, 5:04pm
Me too but I use ROBO and hubby also enters and we both win ...so there you go LOL:kitty:

Me, too I hand type entries and only enter for myself. Not sure if that has anything to do with it.

Reverie
February 9th, 2008, 5:22pm
I enter and win from eprize all the time. Whatever group they have me in, they can keep me there.

Ditto :)

Ditto, too, here. :laugh:





This is what the original poster said "It looks as if you can be "filtered out" if more than one person in your household enters. This could happen even if it is within the rules that entries can be "per person"." Where did you get your interpretation? Other people were worried about getting inappropriately filtered, not causing the filtering. DUH:rolleyes2

Ok, let's try this again.

If people are now asking what the rules mean, how can they know for sure they entered according to the rules all along?

Perhaps what they thought and even insisted the rules meant is not what the rules meant. For example, you are still interpreting the rules according to your belief - and that is not necessarily what the rules mean. Hence the filter. Their interpretation and their filter is what is being discussed here. Not mine. Not yours. Get it?

Personally, I really don't care who or how anyone enters. Or how they win, for that matter. I'm more than happy with my wins. :cool:

carscheles
February 9th, 2008, 5:30pm
If you have reason to believe that you are being filtered, then I suspect you also know the reason why.

It seems that too many people confuse "what the rules mean" with "what I have gotten away with and won." Just because you have won in the past using some gray area of entering does not mean that you followed the rules.

I can only GUESS the reason why I may be filtered. Probably the most logical reason would be the name similarities that I posted in my other post.

I don't think there's a gray area of the rules for similar names and what I should do about that. But you're right, in the past I have "gotten away" with winning using a name that is similar to my mother's.

So what should I do? Should I change my name? Ask my mother to stop entering? Stop entering myself? Move out of state and get a new ISP? And even if I did any of those things, would that guarantee that I'd get off that filtered list? Who knows - ePrize doesn't tell us THAT information either!

carscheles
February 9th, 2008, 5:34pm
I still stand by my claim that ePrize does not owe us any kind of explanation as to how they may be filtering. They are NOT requiring /forcing you into entering the "contract" of giving your personal information over to them. You are doing it voluntarily, based upon the information you are agreeing to in the rules and the privacy policies involved.

If you don't like the rules/privacy policy....you are not being forced to give your personal information to them.

When I go to the store and buy something I first hand the clerk cash and then I'm allowed to take the merchandise. I don't have to go to that store and purchase anything from them but that doesn't give them the right to take my money and not let me have the merchandise.

ePrize cannot take my personal info, that I only gave them based on a chance to win, and not allow me to win. It's one way or the other. If you're not going to let me win, then don't take my personal info.

nekineki
February 9th, 2008, 5:40pm
I can only GUESS the reason why I may be filtered. Probably the most logical reason would be the name similarities that I posted in my other post.

I don't think there's a gray area of the rules for similar names and what I should do about that. But you're right, in the past I have "gotten away" with winning using a name that is similar to my mother's.

So what should I do? Should I change my name? Ask my mother to stop entering? Stop entering myself? Move out of state and get a new ISP? And even if I did any of those things, would that guarantee that I'd get off that filtered list? Who knows - ePrize doesn't tell us THAT information either!

Why are you so sure that you're on that "filtered list"?

sascha_b
February 9th, 2008, 5:53pm
Ok, let's try this again.

If people are now asking what the rules mean, how can they know for sure they entered according to the rules all along?

I've read the rules pretty clearly. I have won from Eprize in the past. I did receive a response from Eprize regarding the two different people with 2 different emails in same household is okay for per person/per email sweeps.

Perhaps what they thought and even insisted the rules meant is not what the rules meant.

I really would like your opinion. Not being snarky. You have been a member here for quite awhile, and your win list shows you've been successful. What do you think I've been doing wrong. I've already described who enters in my household and how in a recent post.

I welcome your advice on my misinterpretation. Honestly....

Your posts feel kind of cryptic in a way....like you're trying to say something and I'm missing it.....:dontknow:

margarita_mama
February 9th, 2008, 7:26pm
When I go to the store and buy something I first hand the clerk cash and then I'm allowed to take the merchandise. I don't have to go to that store and purchase anything from them but that doesn't give them the right to take my money and not let me have the merchandise.

ePrize cannot take my personal info, that I only gave them based on a chance to win, and not allow me to win. It's one way or the other. If you're not going to let me win, then don't take my personal info.

But, in this case, you are the client (of the store in question.) Where ePrize is concerned, you are not purchasing anything from them, you are not their client. The sponsor is. And as such, that is the only entity that ePrize should have to answer to.
ePrize is the middle person in the sweepstakes scenario. They do have our information in a "database" for any given sweep, which, at the end of the sweep, is turned over to the sponsor of each sweep.
Check out their privacy policy. It explains this pretty clearly.
As long as the sponsor is happy with the results of the promotion, that is all ePrize has to worry about. That is what keeps them in business. The sponsors.

I'm curious as to why everyone is singling out ePrize. There are lots and lots of other judging agencies out there and I've never seen any of them come forward and give us sweepers, (who are not their clients, either) any sort of explanation as to how winners are chosen or any other "inside" info either.

Something else to consider....if we were indeed told exactly how the filters were set in place....with all of the technology, hackers, and computer gurus out there, how long do you think it will take for people to find "work-arounds" to those filters?
I'm afraid it would happen in a matter of days. There are new programs developed everyday which are used for shortcuts for anything and everything.
Then, yet again, we would see the outrage demanding that ePrize (and other jas) do SOMETHING to prevent/weed out the cheaters.
ePrize and all the other jas will never be able to please everyone all the time.

jenninshelby
February 9th, 2008, 9:18pm
I didn't read the whole thread, but if there is a boycott planned.. someone PM me that day cuz I'm gonna win! :cheer3: :rofl2:

Yeah count me in too.. heh.. :toot:

gracepap
February 9th, 2008, 9:46pm
All I know is....I used to win from ePrize all the time 3 years ago and over the years the wins from them have trickled way down. The past 3 months I have won nothing from them. Sometimes, I get paranoid about it....but I know I don't cheat. Actually, I am not winning like I used to 3 years ago. The more people sweeping now...have lessened the chance of winning these days. But, it's all good. Any win is a good thing. :bdhat:

arouet
February 9th, 2008, 10:13pm
Personally I think that everyone is overthinking this thing. Maybe the fact that you were winning so much before was the fluke and now the reality of the odds have finally caught up with you. I enter these sweeps only for myself, and my wins have always been random and few and far between. That is probably the reality for most of us and what you were experiencing was just great luck.

On the other hand, I could be totally wrong, and you're on their sh*t list and doomed forever. In which case you shouldn't waste your time entering them anymore. Leave these sweeps to those of us who aren't blacklisted. LOL

cappyone
February 9th, 2008, 10:32pm
Exactly, Eprize is trying to provide the sponsors with sweepstakes devoid of fraud. Don't blame Eprize for trying to protect the integrity of it's business. Blame the scumbag cheaters that forced it to enact the security measures.

The "blame" isn't the point right now. The point is that eprize filters. We don't know whom they filter and for what reasons. THAT is the point.

cappyone
February 9th, 2008, 10:37pm
I read somewhere on the net that some judges discard duplicates that they match by same phone numbers. If you entering for spouse too, I would put a different contact number like a cell phone number instead of home phone.

That's an interesting idea. We don't even know why eprize is filtering. You know, it might not even be just for assumed cheating. It may be for any number of reasons. They may even be filtering folks out because they have won a few times. Who really knows?

cappyone
February 9th, 2008, 10:45pm
I still stand by my claim that ePrize does not owe us any kind of explanation as to how they may be filtering. They are NOT requiring /forcing you into entering the "contract" of giving your personal information over to them. You are doing it voluntarily, based upon the information you are agreeing to in the rules and the privacy policies involved.

If you don't like the rules/privacy policy....you are not being forced to give your personal information to them.

It is true that your information is given willingly, but there is an implied reciprocal connection where the entrant believes that they are fairly in the game. If the entrant is filtered out (and is not cheating) then eprize is breaking an implied trust.

cappyone
February 9th, 2008, 10:49pm
I have had nothing but really good experiences with eprize. But something I have been thinking about since this thread started is that eprize is a slice of the sweepers pie, but not the entire thing.

If we are not winning other sweeps then this probably has nothing to do with filtering and everything to do with an increase of sweepers, and more experienced sweepers as well.

The competition is stiff. A favorite snail sweeps newsletter also transitioned into offering both online and offline entering because so many sweeps now do offer more than one method of entry. It just makes sense that the internet would draw more people eventually.

I also have noticed far less vehicle sweeps than in the past, and many more trips without airfare. Many more contests which require a blog post or a short video. Looks like I am going to have to learn how to do that.

Let's hope it picks up as we go further into 2008!

The situation that I (and it seems that others here) are encountering is that NON-EPRIZE sweeps are "winnable" no mater how small the prize pool. Whereas, eprize is always "Sorry". This is an eprize filtering problem.

sweepluvr
February 9th, 2008, 10:59pm
[ I think the ones obviously cheating are not posting here Duh.[/QUOTE]

DOES NOT MEAN you are CHEATING. Stop judging. I don't cheat but it doesn't mean I have to post a comment on this. But now I am because I feel you are judging the ones (mr included) who don't post. So what everyone on OLS needs to post something here so they can prove they don't cheat????

I don't think so.

cappyone
February 9th, 2008, 10:59pm
If you have reason to believe that you are being filtered, then I suspect you also know the reason why.

It seems that too many people confuse "what the rules mean" with "what I have gotten away with and won." Just because you have won in the past using some gray area of entering does not mean that you followed the rules.

"Also, ePrize is de-duping to screen people who enter many individuals under the same address." http://www.dmnews.com/EPrize-Aims-to-Safeguard-Online-Contests-From-Fraud/article/87087/

How can this not be more clear? And this is not new. This article is three years old. If you have been given a three-year grace period to learn and adhere to the rules before being filtered, how can you ask for sympathy and explanation now?

Assuming something is legal because you got away with it is really the most infantile sort of logic.

Try a different approach - ask yourself if you would honestly admit to a JA that you enter for other members of your household, friends or family members. If you would not admit that (or haven't in the past), then you know that it's wrong.

Reverie, it sounds to me that you are calling the people who are intuiting that they may be filtered unjustly "cheaters". Once again, only my husband and myself enter from this computer on different profiles at different times. We are not using any "gray area" and haven't in the past either. We are following the rules. If it is "one per household" I enter it only. If it is "per person" we take that at face value as meaning it is "per person". Since we are both "persons" then we are within the rules. Why is it so difficult for people to acknowledge that eprize filters and people may be caught up in that unjustly. Computers, computer programmers, and eprize decision-makers are not perfect. Anymore than entrants are. Still "per person" means just that. I don't see how it can be interpreted otherwise.

datagal
February 9th, 2008, 11:02pm
That's an interesting idea. We don't even know why eprize is filtering. You know, it might not even be just for assumed cheating. It may be for any number of reasons. They may even be filtering folks out because they have won a few times. Who really knows?

I enter only for myself, and I am the only one entering sweeps in my home.

Last year was a great year for me... I won the most prizes ever. So far this year the only prizes I have won (some books and a few small instants) are from sites not affiliated with ePrize.

Mumto5girls2boys
February 10th, 2008, 12:44am
I enter only for myself, and I am the only one entering sweeps in my home.

Last year was a great year for me... I won the most prizes ever. So far this year the only prizes I have won (some books and a few small instants) are from sites not affiliated with ePrize.

I use roboform for everything I can. Only type it in if roboform won't work, such as most flash applications.

janess
February 10th, 2008, 1:37am
I think waaaaaay tooooo much is being read in to the article :goofy3:

I read the article and it appeared to me the "de-duping" is in place to filter out cheaters who enter under different names at the same address.

meaning.....

James enters as James XXX, Jim XXX, Jimmy XXX and so on

That was my interpretation.....


I also haven't seen anyone mention the FACT that we have fewer sweeps at this time of the year (instants about 70 less than at the end of last year).

If you're not cheating why waste your time worrying about this and that. Take a break!

GLTA :fairy2:

tlak
February 10th, 2008, 1:47am
[ I think the ones obviously cheating are not posting here Duh.

DOES NOT MEAN you are CHEATING. Stop judging. I don't cheat but it doesn't mean I have to post a comment on this. But now I am because I feel you are judging the ones (mr included) who don't post. So what everyone on OLS needs to post something here so they can prove they don't cheat????

I don't think so.[/QUOTE]

Get a life. Stop taking what I've said out of context.

tlak
February 10th, 2008, 2:01am
Quote:
Originally Posted by tlak
How do you know that the others, none winning, have accidently been filtered, thereby increasing your odds?



Um, not sure where in my post I said that?

GLTA!

Looks like I said it. My question. :rolleyes2

beckpal
February 10th, 2008, 6:18am
I think you're missing the gist of this thread. :rolleyes2 People are concerned because the quantity of their usual wins are down, and that they may be mistakenly caught up in the filter. I think the ones obviously cheating are not posting here Duh.

I subscribed to this thread because I knew it would be interesting with no intention of ever posting in it. But when I read that statement I could hold my tongue no longer. :nono: Please never assume that lurkers are cheaters, presently with this post there have been 240 posts in this thread but 10,521 views. Even discounting for the same people viewing this thread again and again, that still leaves a lot of people you're calling cheaters.

shirlsintulsa
February 10th, 2008, 6:30am
I used to win every so often from eprize...Did well in 2006...Nothing in 2007 or yet in 2008. Some of their contests are webtv friendly & if I am interested in the prizes I enter them...

I live outside of town & they will not accept any address that has the word box in it (example RR2 Box 546) . I wrote to them several times & never got a reply as to what I needed to do in regard to my address......I did figure out a way to get around the word box by using #. I never have trouble with UPS, FedEx, DHS, or USPS....just eprize with the word box in my address...I have wondered if that was why I never won anything in 2007... We are getting a 911 system for my area & I will have a different address without the word box in it, so maybe I will start winning once in awhile again..

But I have not found very many of their instants I wanted to win..Seems like fewer prizes or not enough for each day..I usually enter for the smaller prizes but not that many anymore....

Wishing everyone lots of luck,
Shirley

cappyone
February 10th, 2008, 6:38am
I subscribed to this thread because I knew it would be interesting with no intention of ever posting in it. But when I read that statement I could hold my tongue no longer. :nono: Please never assume that lurkers are cheaters, presently with this post there have been 240 posts in this thread but 10,521 views. Even discounting for the same people viewing this thread again and again, that still leaves a lot of people you're calling cheaters.

I think tlak's comment is being misinterpreted. I don't think that it was meant to say that everyone not posting in this thread is a cheater. I think what was meant was that those who were cheating would not choose to post in this thread. You could be a viewer who doesn't cheat or a cheater. You can be just a viewer and NOT a cheater. Jeez. I don't understand why someone would think it meant that EVERYONE not posting was a cheater.

beckpal
February 10th, 2008, 6:49am
I think tlak's comment is being misinterpreted. I don't think that it was meant to say that everyone not posting in this thread is a cheater. I think what was meant was that those who were cheating would not choose to post in this thread. You could be a viewer who doesn't cheat or a cheater. You can be just a viewer and NOT a cheater. Jeez. I don't understand why someone would think it meant that EVERYONE not posting was a cheater.

I guess because so many things that one can say will be interpreted many different ways depending on a person's frame of reference.

As an example, cheating itself is interpreted differently by many in this thread alone.

I can see both sides and feel that I've been on both sides at one time or another. For the record I currently stand at trusting eprize and being satisfied with how I'm doing with them.

tlak
February 10th, 2008, 6:55am
I subscribed to this thread because I knew it would be interesting with no intention of ever posting in it. But when I read that statement I could hold my tongue no longer. :nono: Please never assume that lurkers are cheaters, presently with this post there have been 240 posts in this thread but 10,521 views. Even discounting for the same people viewing this thread again and again, that still leaves a lot of people you're calling cheaters.

Lets try this slow.................. People posting in this thread are worried about being accidentally caught in the filter, a cheater would not post.. here... because they're not worried about the filter, they'll just move on to the next cheat process. jeeesh. Is there a shot for Paranoia?

cappyone
February 10th, 2008, 6:59am
I guess because so many things that one can say will be interpreted many different ways depending on a person's frame of reference.

As an example, cheating itself is interpreted differently by many in this thread alone.

I can see both sides and feel that I've been on both sides at one time or another. For the record I currently stand at trusting eprize and being satisfied with how I'm doing with them.

That seems like a pretty unusual way of interpreting that. It's nonsense to think that everyone not posting is a cheater. Not everyone posts to any thread. So why would anyone go there?

And...As far as your being satisfied...good for you. It might be an idea to listen though to what people say about filtering because it is a fact. I do believe that people can get unjustifiably caught up in that. EVEN YOU>>>>

beckpal
February 10th, 2008, 7:14am
Lets try this slow.................. People posting in this thread are worried about being accidentally caught in the filter, a cheater would not post.. here... because they're not worried about the filter, they'll just move on to the next cheat process. jeeesh. Is there a shot for Paranoia?

OK, I get what you're saying. Thanks for clarifying. There was never any paranoia in my posts, just opinion.

carscheles
February 10th, 2008, 7:47am
I appreciate opposing opinions on this subject but I have to say that my least favorite opinion is - if it's not happening to me, then it's not happening. That's pretty close minded.

If somehow it's proven that ePrize has been mistakenly filtering people because of some flaw in their software, there would probably still be people who defended ePrize because it didn't effect them.

beckpal
February 10th, 2008, 7:59am
And...As far as your being satisfied...good for you. It might be an idea to listen though to what people say about filtering because it is a fact. I do believe that people can get unjustifiably caught up in that. EVEN YOU>>>>

At no point did I state that I don't believe that we can get unjustifiably caught up in the filtering, to the contrary, I stated that I have been on both sides of it myself.

I pride my self in listening to both sides in a debate BTW.

sascha_b
February 10th, 2008, 8:13am
I pride my self in listening to both sides in a debate BTW.

And that is much appreciated.:yay:

I'm not out here to call in the cavalry.
I don't expect Eprize to divulge their secrets.
I don't think I'm owed anything....except maybe fairness...
I don't feel guilty about my sweeping habits.

I did see a post exploring an issue that had been on my mind recently.
I chose to share some thoughts and enjoyed the different viewpoints.

I didn't like some of the assumptions made here...

All and all, it's been really informative in terms of understanding my hobby a bit more, as well as understanding some folks' mindsets...

Considering that internet communication is 10% what's written, and 90% the reader's interpretation, I'm glad to see this thread did continue without too much flaming and was able to stay open for others to consider.

It's come to a natural end for me. I"m sure I'll be peeking, and I'll have to duct tape my fingers together to keep from responding :rofl2:, but anything more from me is just repetitive....

GLTA in their sweeping.

beckpal
February 10th, 2008, 8:21am
And that is much appreciated.:yay:

I'm not out here to call in the cavalry.
I don't expect Eprize to divulge their secrets.
I don't think I'm owed anything....except maybe fairness...
I don't feel guilty about my sweeping habits.

I did see a post exploring an issue that had been on my mind recently.
I chose to share some thoughts and enjoyed the different viewpoints.

I didn't like some of the assumptions made here...

All and all, it's been really informative in terms of understanding my hobby a bit more, as well as understanding some folks' mindsets...

Considering that internet communication is 10% what's written, and 90% the reader's interpretation, I'm glad to see this thread did continue without too much flaming and was able to stay open for others to consider.

It's come to a natural end for me. I"m sure I'll be peeking, and I'll have to duct tape my fingers together to keep from responding :rofl2:, but anything more from me is just repetitive....

GLTA in their sweeping.

So well said, I totally agree.