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tncorgi
May 25th, 2003, 2:34pm
Posted on Sun, May. 25, 2003

We've turned Iraq over -- now what?
By Molly Ivins
Creators Syndicate

http://www.dfw.com/mld/startelegram/news/columnists/molly_ivins/5937476.htm

NEW YORK - Much as I hate to interrupt what is apparently a deeply felt triumphalism on the American right, now that it's over, does anyone see any reason for our having invaded Iraq?

I realize that's what we kept trying to figure out before the invasion, but don't you think it should at least be visible in hindsight? Good thing we won the war, because the peace sure looks like a quagmire.

These are early days, certainly, to attempt a full historical evaluation. Could be a case of the forest and the trees. Perhaps we're well along to having everything work out magnificently, and I'm just missing it.

Still, I can't see anything that's going right.

Iraq is in chaos, and apparently the only way we'll be able to stop it will be to kill a lot of Iraqis. Just what Saddam Hussein used to do.

The other day we announced that we were going to shoot looters, and when that produced nightmare scenarios of children dead for stealing bread, we had to cancel that plan.

Now we're going to try gun control -- that should have the enthusiastic support of the NRA.

Meanwhile, the chaos in Iraq seems to be costing us whatever good will we earned for getting rid of Saddam -- the one unmitigated good to have come from all of this.

I hate to be picky, picky, picky, but there are still no weapons of mass destruction. In fact, we've apparently even stopped looking for them.

Since Iraq never had anything to do with al Qaeda or Sept. 11 -- despite American public opinion on this issue -- it was certainly no surprise to see al Qaeda back again, with strikes in Saudi Arabia and Morocco.

President Bush's announcement that we had broken up the organization seems to have been a trifle premature. There was much unmuted griping from American intelligence about the total Saudi failure to cooperate before the attack there. (As one anti-war sign reminded us before the recent events, "Sept. 11 equals 15 Saudis, 0 Iraqis.")

Meanwhile, one of the other sales pitches we were given was that, for reasons never explained, getting rid of Saddam would make it easier to make peace between Israel and the Palestinians.

It's not looking promising. Didn't look promising before the war; doesn't now. Bush came out with his Road Map for Peace, and the Israelis took the first exit.

Ariel Sharon, so memorably described by Bush as "a man of peace," wasted no time undercutting that proposal. The always-unhelpful Palestinian terrorists attacked, and Sharon counterattacked and then canceled his trip here to discuss the peace plan.

The usual ugly pictures and refueled resentments ensued -- the same-old, same-old of this 50-year-old cycle. So far, getting rid of Saddam seems to have had zero effect on this old deadlock.

Meanwhile, Iraq looks more and more as though it will be costing us the high-end estimate of $20 billion a year, for which the Iraqis have yet to appear noticeably grateful.

The Shiites hate us; the Kurds are killing the Arabs; we're hiring old Baathite thugs to run things and generally becoming unpopular over there.

As John Henry's cousin Eddie used to say of the Vietnamese, "If they don't like what we're doin' for 'em, why don't they just go back where they come from?"

OK, if this is the situation -- and it's certainly what's being reported -- I don't get why we're still hearing Bushies saying, "Ha, ha, ha -- we won the war." Was there anyone who said we wouldn't?

Since I am in the happy position of having predicted a short, easy war and the peace from hell, I think I'm looking like a genius prognosticator about now.

I can't figure out why the Republicans are happy about this.

Sure, it was a great photo-op on the aircraft carrier, but if you think the American people won't notice $20 billion a year because of some nice pictures, you have sadly underestimated the common sense of this nation. I realize that what we see depends on where we stand, but there is a substantial body of emerging fact here, none of it encouraging for optimists.

We may yet see hopeful developments, but darned if I can see any cause for celebration now, or even for building a presidential re-election campaign around footage of our triumphant prez flying out to the Abraham Lincoln.

There's a very real possibility that by November 2004, Republicans will very much want everybody to forget the war now called Dubya Dubya II. (Sorry, I don't know whom to credit for that one, but it's not original with me.)

I've got an even-money bet out that says more Americans will be killed in the peace than in the war and more Iraqis will be killed by Americans in the peace than in the war. Not the first time I've had a bet out that I hoped I'd lose.

Joshuathenandnow
July 21st, 2003, 2:46pm
I can't believe your stupidity. If Arik Sharon was trying to undercut the Road Map to Auschwitz, he would have just expelled the hostile Arabs from Eretz Israel. Sharon has already agreed to surrender Judea, Samaria, & Gaza to the "palestinians" & he proposed releasing 300 Arab terrorists from jail. He has also sent in Israeli soldiers to dismantle residences in Judea & Samaria. For your information, there is no cycle of violence. Arabs launch terror attacks on Israeli citizens & Israel responds with defensive operations targeting Arab terrorists. If both sides are morally equal, would Japan's bombing of Pearl Harbor be equal to the U.S's response. Ehud Barak offered Judea, Samaria & Gaza to Arafat in 2000 and he responded with the middle finger salute.

Rapunzel676
July 21st, 2003, 3:06pm
Don't you mean ARIEL Sharon?

P.S. Tncorgi didn't write this article. Direct your insults at Molly Ivins. I'm sure she's more than able to respond.

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shiningsparkles
July 21st, 2003, 3:55pm
Originally posted by Joshuathenandnow
I can't believe your stupidity. If Ariel Sharon was trying to undercut the Road Map to Auschwitz, he would have just expelled the hostile Arabs from Eretz Israel. Sharon has already agreed to surrender Judea, Samaria, & Gaza to the "palestinians" & he proposed releasing 300 Arab terrorists from jail. He has also sent in Israeli soldiers to dismantle residences in Judea & Samaria. For your information, there is no cycle of violence. Arabs launch terror attacks on Israeli citizens & Israel responds with defensive operations targeting Arab terrorists. If both sides are morally equal, would Japan's bombing of Pearl Harbor be equal to the U.S's response. Ehud Barak offered Judea, Samaria & Gaza to Arafat in 2000 and he responded with the middle finger salute.

I agree - perhaps I'll write to this Molly person. Molly Ivins is obviously one of those misleading reporters who prefers showing whose side she's on - instead of the truth. (I'd love to see her on Bill O'Reilly's The Factor!)

Ravzie
July 21st, 2003, 5:41pm
That would be interesting to see!

Rapunzel676
July 21st, 2003, 8:02pm
Molly Ivins is a syndicated columnist for the Fort-Worth Star Telegram who has also written for the New York Times and has been a Pulitzer Prize finalist three times. While she sometimes appears on NPR and McNeil/Lehrer I doubt she'd waste her time getting screamed at without being able to get a word in edgewise on O'Reilly's show. I think she prefers a more dignified debate. I hope no one thinks Bill O'Reilly or Chris Matthews or any of the other talking heads on CNN or MSNBC or FOX (or on the networks, for that matter!) are actually journalists. Edward R. Murrow must be rolling in his grave. Can't believe they would disgrace his name by associating it with something as crass as "Dateline NBC." This is why I got out of journalism.

tncorgi
July 21st, 2003, 8:27pm
i do wish i could write like molly ivins but she has been writing about texas, texas politics and politics longer than i can remember. i lived in dallas for about 15 years (1979-1995) and always enjoyed reading her columns. for more information about her...

Molly Ivins


Political Columnist

Molly Ivins, best-selling author and widely syndicated political columnist for the Fort Worth Star-Telegram, says politics, particularly in Texas, is great entertainment -- "better than the zoo, better than the circus, rougher than football, and even more aesthetically satisfying than baseball."

One of the nation's wittiest and best-known political pundits, Mary Tyler Ivins, better known as Molly, was born August 30, 1944 in Monterey, Calif., but grew up in Houston.

Ivins, the author of the best-selling book, Molly Ivins Can't Say That Can She?, is the former co-editor of the liberal monthly Texas Observer and former Rocky Mountain bureau chief for the New York Times. She has also worked for the Houston Chronicle, the Minneapolis Star-Tribune and the Dallas Times Herald.

Ivins' freelance work has appeared in Esquire, Atlantic, The Nation, Harper's, the Progressive, Mother Jones, TV Guide and numerous other publications. She is a frequent guest on network radio and television shows.

Ivins has a B.A. from Smith College, a master's in journalism from Columbia University and studied for a year at the Institute of Political Science in Paris.

She served for three years on the board of the National News Council, is active in the Amnesty International's Journalism Network and the Reporters Committee for Freedom of the Press. She writes about press issues for the American Civil Liberties Union and several journalism reviews.

She has been a Pulitzer Prize finalist three times, and has won numerous journalism awards, including a 1991 Headliner's Award for best Texas column. She was named Outstanding Alumna by Columbia University's School of Journalism in 1976, and was a member of the 1992 Pulitzer Prize jury.

She speaks both French and Spanish and has a love of the outdoors.

Her column appears in 113 newspaper besides the Star-Telegram.

Molly Ivins writes for Creators Syndicate. 5777 W. Century Blvd., Suite 700, Los Angeles, CA 90045


http://www.dfw.com/mld/startelegram/news/columnists/molly_ivins/

BJo
July 22nd, 2003, 8:43am
I love Molly Ivins. She always manages to tell it like it is with a sense of humor.:cheer: