why is pelosi getting flack from going to syria?

[aila]

is it because she is a democrat?

was surprised to find out that a little-publicized rendezvous took place sunday between syria's president and lancaster county's (pennsylvania) congressman.

supposedly the white house discourages all meetings with syria's assad, yet there has been no outrage from the white house on this visit, only nancy pelosi's.

http://local.lancasteronline.com/4/202433

[JediMama]

Notice that it is business as usual with the Dems.............obstruction..........ridiculous pork added to bills..........etc., etc. etc. Is anyone really surprised?

[aila]

Notice that it is business as usual with the Dems.............obstruction..........ridiculous pork added to bills..........etc., etc. etc. Is anyone really surprised?

i think you're missing the point of the post. a republican congressman from pennsylvania went over to syria and met with assad and there was no outrage from the white house. pelosi goes over to meet with assad and there IS outrage from the white house.

what does this have to do with pork?

[Rokki]

Notice that it is business as usual with the Dems.............obstruction..........ridiculous pork added to bills..........etc., etc. etc. Is anyone really surprised?
What are they obstructing?

[LastLaugh]

Administration critics from both political parties and the recent bipartisan Iraq Study Group have recommended open talks with Syria to resolve these issues.
http://local.lancasteronline.com/4/202433

[aila]

so the question remains, why is it that pelosi and her delegation are getting the criticism, but the republican pennsylvania congressman isn't?

[barbs]

I think you mean "flack", not "slack".

[aila]

I think you mean "flack", not "slack".

that's what i meant, but i can't edit the title. as long as you knew what i meant, i hope others did as well.

[barbs]

Notice that it is business as usual with the Dems.............obstruction..........ridiculous pork added to bills..........etc., etc. etc. Is anyone really surprised?


Your silence on this: http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2005/08/09/bridges/index_np.html

and this: http://dir.salon.com/story/news/feature/2005/07/29/energy_pork/index.html


was deafening.

As far as "obstruction" - why is it that no Dem bill for ANYTHING at all ever made it's way out of the Republican-controlled committees? Huh? Huh?

[barbs]

Hmmmm - no response from bagpipr...

[aila]

heard today that the talks between pelosi and assad resulted in assad stating he would like to begin peace talks re israel.

don't know if this will come to be, but he did make a public statement.

we just might be able to get more accomplished if we sat and talked with 'our' enemies! unfortunately this president doesn't believe in talking with the enemy. it's his way or no way.

[TieDyeGuy]

What are they obstructing?
The drums of war.

[Rokki]

The drums of war.
That is what I think he meant too (obstructing Bush)

But how is that business as usual? The previous houses he worked with were rubber stamps.

[CAmom]

is it because she is a democrat?

was surprised to find out that a little-publicized rendezvous took place sunday between syria's president and lancaster county's (pennsylvania) congressman.

supposedly the white house discourages all meetings with syria's assad, yet there has been no outrage from the white house on this visit, only nancy pelosi's.

http://local.lancasteronline.com/4/202433
I don't think it is so much because she is a dem but because she is speaker of the house and therefore seen as having power. Congressmen by themselves are not seen as having the same amt of power IMO.

[Kym]

I fixed your title. *wink*

[aila]

I fixed your title. *wink*

i extend to you my profound gratitude. *smile*

[aila]

I was listening to Air America yesterday and they said watch out they are going to turn this trip into an anti Israel/anti semetic type of thing and sure enough on Fox and Friends this AM they did!

how can this be labeled as an anti israel/semitic type of thing? what did fox say?

[barbs]

how can this be labeled as an anti israel/semitic type of thing? what did fox say?

Not having watched Faux etc, I would guess that, since Syria hates the Israelis, if someone talks to Syria it's looked upon as approving of Syria's positions. Convoluted thinking, but what can you expect?

Remember bush's statement, "We don't talk to our enemies"?

[aila]

Not having watched Faux etc, I would guess that, since Syria hates the Israelis, if someone talks to Syria it's looked upon as approving of Syria's positions. Convoluted thinking, but what can you expect?

Remember bush's statement, "We don't talk to our enemies"?

then why was it okay for the republican pennsylvania congressman to talk to assad?

is this more hypocrisy at its finest?

[aila]

on a syndicated talk show ("schnitt on the radio" ... florida, texas, and georgia i belileve), he was saying that nancy pelosi might have commited an 'act of treason' by talking to assad because syria is a "terrorist" state as they harbor hammas and hezbollah.

why then did condoleeza rice speak with assad? it appears nancy pelosi got further along than rice did.

[barbs]

then why was it okay for the republican pennsylvania congressman to talk to assad?

is this more hypocrisy at its finest?

Ah - but the 'pubs are loyal to bush & he can be sure they'd pre-check every single word with him, and report back every single thing that was said by Syria.

He can't be that sure of Pelosi!

Hypocrisy AND jealousy.

[bomar97]

on a syndicated talk show ("schnitt on the radio" ... florida, texas, and georgia i belileve), he was saying that nancy pelosi might have commited an 'act of treason' by talking to assad because syria is a "terrorist" state as they harbor hammas and hezbollah.

why then did condoleeza rice speak with assad? it appears nancy pelosi got further along than rice did.


C. Rice was there on behalf of the president.. the "felony" is getting involved with the president's foreign policy w/o his permission.. dates way back..

Pelosi also angered Israel.. stated she was delivering a direct message which was botched and didn't match anything that was talked about in Israel!

[SandyToes]

"The taxpayers are sending congressmen on expensive trips abroad. It might be worth it except they keep coming back!" Will Rodgers.

[aila]

C. Rice was there on behalf of the president.. the "felony" is getting involved with the president's foreign policy w/o his permission.. dates way back..

Pelosi also angered Israel.. stated she was delivering a direct message which was botched and didn't match anything that was talked about in Israel!

there have been republican congressman who journeyed to syria and met with assad. no issue was made from that.

when newt gingrich was speaker of the house he journeyed to china. FLASHBACK: Pat Buchanan, John Boehner Backed Speaker Gingrich's Involvement In Foreign Policy

Speaking at a news conference organized by the conservative magazine "Human Events," Buchanan said the Clinton administration's policy of constructive engagement with the Chinese was a failure...

"It's now up to Congress to run foreign policy and it has the power to overturn the president's decision" on China's trade status, expected in June, Buchanan said. "There is time to organize a campaign" to influence Congress, "and this is a battle we can win."

you can read more at:

http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/horsesmouth/2007/04/flashback_pat_b.php

so it was alright for the republicans to say "ignore the president"? at least nancy pelosi has a bit more class and is trying to do no such thing.

[SandyToes]

And of cource there is the fact that Terrorist leader fully support Nancy Polosi's visit to Syria.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3385140,00.html

Palestinian terror group members call US House speaker's visit to Damascus 'brave' and hope for talks with Iran; ‘I think the Democratic Party can do things the best,’ Islamic Jihad member says

Man....That is definately a campaign slogan for 09.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi's visit to Syria Wednesday – in which she called for dialogue with Damascus – was "brave" and "very appreciated" and could bring about "important changes" to America's foreign policy, including talks with "Middle East resistance groups," according to members of Palestinian terror organizations whose top leaders live in Syria

Someone start printing the campaign posters with these endorsements!

One terror leader, Khaled Al-Batch, a militant and spokesman for Islamic Jihad, expressed hope Pelosi would continue winning elections, explaining the House speaker's Damascus visit demonstrated she understands the Middle East.

"Nancy Pelosi understands the area (Middle East) well, more than Bush and Dr. (Condoleezza) Rice," said Al-Batch, speaking to WND from Gaza. "If the Democrats want to make negotiations with Syria, Hamas, and Hizbullah, this means the Democratic Party understands well what happens in this area and I think Pelosi will succeed. ... I hope she wins the next elections."

Yep, Terrorist think Dems will negotiiate with them. Wonder why?


Al-Batch expressed hope Pelosi and the Democratic Party will pressure Bush to create dialogue with Syria and Middle East "resistance movements" and prompt an American withdrawal from Iraq.

And they all want the same thing. So who wins if we withdraw from Iraq now? The terrorist certainly think they do.

bu Abdullah, a leader of Hamas' military wing in the Gaza Strip, said the willingness by some lawmakers to talk with Syria "is proof of the importance of the resistance against the US.

"The Americans know and understand they are losing in Iraq and the Middle East and that their only chance to survive is to reduce hostilities with Arab countries and with Islam. Islam is the new giant of the world," he said

oh yes, negotiate with Terrorist so that their version of Islam can rule the world. Hope we all can survive under Sharia Law. Guess who gets beheaded first?

At a press conference after the meeting, Pelosi said that during her talks with Assad she "determined that the road to Damascus is the road to peace."

The road to Damascus is the road to aannihilation.

[aila]

maybe it is the road to peace. what harm can occur if you talk to the enemy?

[SandyToes]

maybe it is the road to peace. what harm can occur if you talk to the enemy?

See the above post to see the harm it does. Look how terror leaders are interpreting her visit to Syrua.

[aila]

See the above post to see the harm it does. Look how terror leaders are interpreting her visit to Syrua.

i did read it and again, i want to know what harm would it do to talk to the enemy? if it doesn't work, we would be no better off than we are now. if it does, then something has been gained. you don't know until you try.

[SandyToes]

i did read it and again, i want to know what harm would it do to talk to the enemy? if it doesn't work, we would be no better off than we are now. if it does, then something has been gained. you don't know until you try.

Because it encourages the enemy. They see it as them winning and the United States loosing.
If that is ok with you then there would be no harm. IMO, You don't negotiate with terrorist.

[LastLaugh]

C. Rice was there on behalf of the president..
I thought Bush would never deal with terrorists?

[LastLaugh]

And of cource there is the fact that Terrorist leader fully support Nancy Polosi's visit to Syria.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3385140,00.html

Aaron Klein, WND
WND=World Net Daily

[LastLaugh]

You don't negotiate with terrorist.
Then why was Rice in Syria?

[KISSaholic4life]

Why aren't Darrell Issa, Robert Aderholt, Frank Wolf, Joe Pitts and David L. Hobson called traitors/terrorist sympathizers/etc, they are American and they also met with Assad within the past week.

[SandyToes]

WND=World Net Daily

Are you calling them liars?
Do you have something that questions the legitamacy of the interviews or do you just feel like putting down World Net Daily today?
Care to comment on the article itself?

[SandyToes]

Then why was Rice in Syria?

I don't think Condi was negotiating. Threatening maybe but not negotiating.

[SandyToes]

Why aren't Darrell Issa, Robert Aderholt, Frank Wolf, Joe Pitts and David L. Hobson called traitors/terrorist sympathizers/etc, they are American and they also met with Assad within the past week.

They were also wrong to go but they are not the Speaker of the House.

[KISSaholic4life]

I don't think Condi was negotiating. Threatening maybe but not negotiating.

That's a hell of a way for our top state department ambassador to be spreading diplomacy.

[KISSaholic4life]

They were also wrong to go but they are not the Speaker of the House.

What's the difference - they are all in Congress.

[SandyToes]

That's a hell of a way for our top state department ambassador to be spreading diplomacy.

Hmmmm.....If that is all they understand....ie...Hamas....Hezbollah...Islamic Jihad.....etc....etc...etc...

[SandyToes]

What's the difference - they are all in Congress.


They are not leaders of their party and they certainly are not leaders of the opposition party to the President of the United States. They were wrong to go but don't try to relieve Polosi of her responsiblity by blaming them. Who got all of the media attention? Who are the terrorist hoping wins more elections. Who do the terrorist thinks understands them. They spoke of Polosi by name.

[KISSaholic4life]

They are not leaders of their party and they certainly are not leaders of the opposition party to the President of the United States. They were wrong to go but don't try to relieve Polosi of her responsiblity by blaming them. Who got all of the media attention? Who are the terrorist hoping wins more elections. Who do the terrorist thinks understands them. They spoke of Polosi by name.

They are still Americans who had a meeting with 'a terrorist'. Why isn't the right-wing condemning Darrell Issa, Robert Aderholt, Frank Wolf, Joe Pitts and David L. Hobson along Pelosi? If you're gonna consider Pelosi a traitor or what-have-you, you must also consider the rest to be traitors. I think it shows once again the hypocritical side of most conservatives.

[SandyToes]

They are still Americans who had a meeting with 'a terrorist'. Why isn't the right-wing condemning Darrell Issa, Robert Aderholt, Frank Wolf, Joe Pitts and David L. Hobson along Pelosi? If you're gonna consider Pelosi a traitor or what-have-you, you must also consider the rest to be traitors. I think it shows once again the hypocritical side of most conservatives.

They have been denounced. It just doesn't make the news like the Speaker of the House. And so like the libs to try to point the finger at someone else.

[KISSaholic4life]

Hmmmm.....If that is all they understand....ie...Hamas....Hezbollah...Islamic Jihad.....etc....etc...etc...

I'd rather have a Secretary Of State who understood words and knows how to effectively use those words instead of one who's mindset is only on war and destruction.

[KISSaholic4life]

They have been denounced. It just doesn't make the news like the Speaker of the House.

None of the right-wingers have condemned the others, they've only gone after Pelosi.

And so like the libs to try to point the finger at someone else.

Why do you continually post crap like this. Conservatives aren't immune to pointing fingers.

[SandyToes]

I'd rather have a Secretary Of State who understood words and knows how to effectively use those words instead of one who's mindset is only on war and destruction.

Considering Condi's education and career positions, I think she understands words and how to use them

[KISSaholic4life]

Considering Condi's education and career positions, I think she understands words and how to use them

I hope she starts using them soon, she's out of office in 2 years.

[SandyToes]

None of the right-wingers have condemned the others, they've only gone after Pelosi.



Why do you continually post crap like this. Conservatives aren't immune to pointing fingers.


Sure they have condemned the others for going but Nancy gets the attention because of her possition of power.She us the one up front in all the news reports and whose picture is front and center (and usually alone) in all the media coverage. She is the one that is being quoted by the media and the terrorist. When all the others get the same attentiona and power they will get an equal amount of critisism.

[SandyToes]

I hope she starts using them soon, she's out of office in 2 years.


Giulianni/Rice 2008. Sounds good doesn't it!

[KISSaholic4life]

Sure they have condemned the others for going but Nancy gets the attention because of her possition of power.She us the one up front in all the news reports and whose picture is front and center (and usually alone) in all the media coverage. She is the one that is being quoted by the media and the terrorist. When all the others get the same attentiona and power they will get an equal amount of critisism.

But aren't they 'dealing with a terrorist', aren't they also 'traitors', aren't they 'unpatriotic'? They are doing the same exact thing as Pelosi yet no criticism from the right-wingers.

[KISSaholic4life]

Giulianni/Rice 2008. Sounds good doesn't it!

About as appealing as any other combo the Republicans are touting this presidential race.

[SandyToes]

But aren't they 'dealing with a terrorist', aren't they also 'traitors', aren't they 'unpatriotic'? They are doing the same exact thing as Pelosi yet no criticism from the right-wingers.

I don't believe I called Polosi a traitor or unpatriotic. I said she was wrong to go and why. I also said the others who went were wrong to go. You seem to be intent on demanding the others be tar and feathered while excusing The Speaker of the House from any responsibility. If you want her to give up her position of power, I am sure all of your so called "right wingers" would leave her alone. Until she abdicates power, she is fair game. Get used to it.

[aila]

i just realized that since my post #26 regarding ex speaker of the house newt gingrich's trip to china:


"It's now up to Congress to run foreign policy and it has the power to overturn the president's decision" on China's trade status, expected in June, Buchanan said.

was deemed okay and to sidestep president clinton.

this wasn't pelosi's policy or plan, yet pelosi is getting the flack and gingrich gets credos.

[SandyToes]

i just realized that since my post #26 regarding ex speaker of the house newt gingrich's trip to china:



was deemed okay and to sidestep president clinton.

this wasn't pelosi's policy or plan, yet pelosi is getting the flack and gingrich gets credos.

Newt was also wrong.

[Faulkner99]

Pelosi is getting flack because neocons and their flunkie followers have a very hard time accepting intelligent proactive women. They prefer their women like Condi (the worst kind of Yes Man) or Laura Bush (Stepford). To think of any person, much less a woman, who is smart and hard working is just too much for them to stand. Look at the kinds of women they lionize: Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin. Women who are as stupid as they are loud, and without the respectibility to even be able to run for office, and that doesn't say very much. It's a shame the right wing hasn't produced any respectable women like Pelosi. She showed up to work, rolled up her sleeves, and got to the dirty work that neocons have been avoiding for ages. Unlike the President, at least she's not just kissing ass in her talks with Syria and Saudi Arabia.

[SandyToes]

Pelosi is getting flack because neocons and their flunkie followers have a very hard time accepting intelligent proactive women. They prefer their women like Condi (the worst kind of Yes Man) or Laura Bush (Stepford). To think of any person, much less a woman, who is smart and hard working is just too much for them to stand. Look at the kinds of women they lionize: Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin. Women who are as stupid as they are loud, and without the respectibility to even be able to run for office, and that doesn't say very much. It's a shame the right wing hasn't produced any respectable women like Pelosi. She showed up to work, rolled up her sleeves, and got to the dirty work that neocons have been avoiding for ages. Unlike the President, at least she's not just kissing ass in her talks with Syria and Saudi Arabia.

What a load of BS.
Spoken by a "True" Conservative. ROFLMFAO!

[snookers]

And of cource there is the fact that Terrorist leader fully support Nancy Polosi's visit to Syria.

http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3385140,00.html
I see World Net Daily's Aaron Klein is at it again using his same ole 'terrorist leaders' connections as usual. Who is this Klein, and how did he ever come to establish and maintain such cozy connections with 'terrorist leaders', one of whom (Jihad Jaara) lives in exile in Ireland. How 'active' can a 'terrorist leader' be...living in Ireland?

...they have a history of popping up in his articles to reinforce his conservative talking points.

The terrorists know Klein's a right-wing shill and are eager to feed him disinformation that he will eat up because they, in fact, want Republicans to stay in power and know Klein and WND will use their claims about Democrats to motivate readers to vote Republican -- as we've noted, the preferred outcome of Osama bin Laden.

All Klein has done is cultivate a few terrorists whom he can count on to spout inflammatory rhetoric that he can then disseminate as red meat to conservatives. He is not telling us the whole story -- namely, what he's doing to maintain that relationship with them.

That would be a much more interesting story to hear about than what terrorist thugs (and exiles) think about American politics.

http://conwebwatch.tripod.com/stories/2006/kleinterrorist.html BTW this article is from last November
Ann Coulter and Sean Hannity...as expected, ate it all up. No surprise, there.
From the April 5 edition of Fox News' Hannity & Colmes:

HANNITY: Ann Coulter, you know, it's amazing that she didn't answer one question. But I've got to tell you, I'm almost embarrassed for Nancy Pelosi. She looked ridiculous. She's acting ridiculous. She clearly is being used.

When you listen to Aaron Klein, who got the interview that we played part of, Islamic Jihad, Al Jazeera, the al-Aqsa Martyr Brigades, Hamas, and Hezbollah have all sent out messages of how great she is, using her to attack the president for propaganda purposes.

COULTER: Oh, yeah. No, that was an amazing article in WorldNetDaily.

HANNITY: Yeah. In WorldNetDaily, yeah.

http://mediamatters.org/items/200704060010

[LastLaugh]

Are you calling them liars?
Do you have something that questions the legitamacy of the interviews or do you just feel like putting down World Net Daily today?
Care to comment on the article itself?
WND are proven liars. I would trust their news unquestioned as much as I would the Worker's Daily.

Critics have accused Klein of having a bias toward right-wing Israeli causes and against Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert. For instance, Klein has frequently written about right-wing Israeli activists tied to the far-right Kach and Kahane Chai movement without disclosing those ties. When Eden Natan-Zada shot and killed four people on a bus in Gaza on August 4, 2005, and was then beaten to death by a crowd that witnessed the shooting, Klein wrote an article for WND claiming that Zada was "murdered" by a "mob of Palestinians." Klein did not describe Zada's victims as having been "murdered."
Klein was highly critical of Olmert and his Kadima party during the 2006 Israeli election. He quoted anonymous sources claiming that Olmert used "extreme violence against Jewish protesters" in order "to win votes from leftist Israelis by demonstrating he is capable of withdrawing Jews from the West Bank." He similarly reported a claim that an Israeli military siege of a prison complex "was meant to boost acting Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's campaign ahead of elections.". Another article quoted a Kadima member, Otniel Schneller, as saying that Kadima "would divide Jerusalem and allow a Palestinian state to be established in parts of Israel's 'eternal capital' " but failed to tell readers that Schneller is "a former head of the council of West Bank and Gaza settlements, a body that hotly opposes any territorial compromise."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aaron_Klein

[LastLaugh]

Who got all of the media attention? Who are the terrorist hoping wins more elections. Who do the terrorist thinks understands them. They spoke of Polosi by name.
So you think we should allow terrorists to control our actions?

[Rokki]

Who are the terrorist hoping wins more elections. Who do the terrorist thinks understands them.

Evidently, the terrorists want the Republicans to win. (I hope the US attorney there is able to keep his job after bringing up charges against this Republican donor)

GOP Donor Hit With Terror Charges

A New York man accused of trying to help terrorists in Afghanistan has donated some $15,000 to the House Republicans' campaign committee over three years.

Abdul Tawala Ibn Ali Alishtari pleaded not guilty Friday in U.S. District Court in Manhattan to charges that include terrorism financing, material support of terrorism and money laundering.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/wireStory?id=2890980

[LastLaugh]

Abdul Tawala Ibn Ali Alishtari pleaded not guilty Friday in U.S. District Court in Manhattan to charges that include terrorism financing, material support of terrorism
Are those charges referring to his donations to the GOP? ;)

[TieDyeGuy]

Are those charges referring to his donations to the GOP? ;)
That's just what I was thinking!