Kerry

[pechuna]

Howard Stern has got nothing on John F****** Kerry:

http://www.drudgereport.com/kerry44.htm

[advantage2000]

I did a manual search for these words as well...

You will, indeed, find many nasty words here... but they're not from John Kerry himself. They are from the community/bulletin board. This would be his young constituents venting their frustration against Dubya and the Republican Machine.

I think if Dubya had an online community/bulletin board on his website, there would probably be nasty words said about the Limo Liberals from online-sweepstakes.com! :grin3: :wink4:

[Carla]

I liked the comparison between Kerry and Stern.
Just as Howard Stern was removed from Clear Channel markets because of something that a LISTENER said while calling in.....
Kerry is attacked by this report for some things that VISITORS to his site type while there...
As Advangtage stated, since Bush doesn't have a community, he doesn't have to deal with the issue.

[pechuna]

Lucky for her that she wiggled her tush for John Heinz and inherited his fortune:

http://blog.johnkerry.com/blog/archives/000871.html

[pattyepye]

You will, indeed, find many nasty words here... but they're not from John Kerry himself. They are from the community/bulletin board. This would be his young constituents venting their frustration against Dubya and the Republican Machine.

:grin3: :wink4:

very good point, any public bulletin board, that is not moderated, will show signs of poor taste.

[pattyepye]

pechuna, pechuna, pechuna

she only had nice things to say about you.

[pearlleemay]

Was that article you had a link to suppose to show her in a bad light? It only made me admire her all the more.

[Rapunzel676]

Can't pick on him on the issues so you pick on his wife. Way to be, Pechuna. :rolleyes:

[pechuna]

Kerry waffles on the issues more than Aunt Jemima.

:laugh:

[pechuna]

In a speech today, Kerry claims support from unamed foreign leaders.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1093262/posts?page=9

[ignoramoose]

I have decided to make a Kerry thread, where you can post all your links and talk politics in regard to John Kerry. Any future threads created that have to do with John Kerry, I will merge into this one. Have at it!

[spidergirlforeve]

here is something

kerry
kerry
kerry
kerry
kerry
kerry who
kerry the kangeroo

[pechuna]

Ignoramoose,

Does that include Carrie Nation? :laugh:

Off the subject, ever play Castle Pines?

[ignoramoose]

Ignoramoose,

Does that include Carrie Nation? :laugh:

Off the subject, ever play Castle Pines?

She can have her own thread pechuna, and no booze allowed!

I've never played Castle Pines because I don't golf :(. But it's fun when the tour comes to town!

[c1986goose]

used the F word during a recent Rolling Stones article about George Bush. Do you want a man in office that uses that kind of language in public?

[Current]

used the F word during a recent Rolling Stones article about George Bush. Do you want a man in office that uses that kind of language in public?

Wouldn't bother me. I look at more what a President does, then what a President says. Watching Bush for the past few years has taught me that lesson.

Bush comes up with words and syntax that I have never heard before. At least I know what Kerry is saying if he uses the F word. :gvibes:

[bulldglit]

Early exits polls on Presidential vote in So. Fla are as follows:


66.71% John Kerry
31.83% George "I'm out on my tush" Bush
1% Ralph Nader
Rest for someone else (?)

Bush is going to have a very hard time this election. No butterfly ballots for Palm Beach County and computer voting in Broward and Dade. You might recall that the recounts for these three counties were not counted in the last election. This was a huge loss for Al Gore. The ballots were reviewed after the election and found that Al Gore would have carried Florida in the last election. Therefore, he would not only have won the popular vote but also would have had the electoral college votes to have become President. The anger down here in South Florida over the last election and our votes not counting is rekindling. A heavy register to vote campaign has already begun. Based on the statistics, if the people who are being registered to vote actually do vote in the election, it will be a democratic landslide in South Florida which has the largest population in the State.

[Kym]

LMAO...at least he didn't make UP the *F* word.

"My views are one that speaks to freedom." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Jan. 29, 2004

"See, one of the interesting things in the Oval Office — I love to bring people into the Oval Office — right around the corner from here — and say, this is where I office, but I want you to know the office is always bigger than the person." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Jan. 29, 2004

"More Muslims have died at the hands of killers than — I say more Muslims — a lot of Muslims have died — I don't know the exact count — at Istanbul. Look at these different places around the world where there's been tremendous death and destruction because killers kill." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Jan. 29, 2004

"Then you wake up at the high school level and find out that the illiteracy level of our children are appalling." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Jan. 23, 2004

"I want to thank the astronauts who are with us, the courageous spacial entrepreneurs who set such a wonderful example for the young of our country." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C. Jan. 14, 2004

"And if you're interested in the quality of education and you're paying attention to what you hear at Laclede, why don't you volunteer? Why don't you mentor a child how to read?" —George W. Bush, St. Louis, Mo., Jan. 5, 2004

"[T]he best way to find these terrorists who hide in holes is to get people coming forth to describe the location of the hole, is to give clues and data." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Dec. 15, 2003

"This very week in 1989, there were protests in East Berlin and in Leipzig. By the end of that year, every communist dictatorship in Central America had collapsed." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Nov. 6, 2003

"[W]hether they be Christian, Jew, or Muslim, or Hindu, people have heard the universal call to love a neighbor just like they'd like to be called themselves." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., October 8, 2003

"See, free nations are peaceful nations. Free nations don't attack each other. Free nations don't develop weapons of mass destruction." —George W. Bush, Milwaukee, Wis., Oct. 3, 2003

"Washington is a town where there's all kinds of allegations. You've heard much of the allegations. And if people have got solid information, please come forward with it. And that would be people inside the information who are the so-called anonymous sources, or people outside the information — outside the administration." —George W. Bush, Chicago, Sept. 30, 2003

"[W]e've had leaks out of the administrative branch, had leaks out of the legislative branch, and out of the executive branch and the legislative branch, and I've spoken out consistently against them, and I want to know who the leakers are." —George W. Bush, Chicago, Sept. 30, 2003

"I glance at the headlines just to kind of get a flavor for what's moving. I rarely read the stories, and get briefed by people who are probably read the news themselves." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Sept. 21, 2003

"I'm so pleased to be able to say hello to Bill Scranton. He's one of the great Pennsylvania political families." —George W. Bush, Drexel Hill, Penn., Sept. 15, 2003

"We had a chance to visit with Teresa Nelson who's a parent, and a mom or a dad." —George W. Bush, Jacksonville, Florida, Sept. 9, 2003

"As Luce reminded me, he said, without data, without facts, without information, the discussions about public education mean that a person is just another opinion." —George W. Bush, Jacksonville, Florida, Sept. 9, 2003

"[T]hat's just the nature of democracy. Sometimes pure politics enters into the rhetoric." —George W. Bush, Crawford, Texas, Aug. 8, 2003

"We had a good Cabinet meeting, talked about a lot of issues. Secretary of State and Defense brought us up to date about our desires to spread freedom and peace around the world." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Aug. 1, 2003

[carogonza]

:laugh: OMG I spit my coffee out when I read these. Thanks for the funny, Kym!! :jump:

[Kym]

Glad I gave you a chuckle, Car. I love this "this is where I office..."

He he

:laugh:

[carogonza]

I like "and I want to know who the leakers are." tee hee :laugh: Those damn leakers!!!

And, "I glance at the headlines just to kind of get a flavor for what's moving. I rarely read the stories, and get briefed by people who are probably read the news themselves." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Sept. 21, 2003 OMG how scary!!

[pearlleemay]

Thank you

[bulldglit]

How embarassing. The jackass heard round the world.

[c1986goose]

In a bit of good news for Bush, Nader is drawing essentially all of his support from Kerry, who leads Bush by 9 percentage points in a two-way matchup with the president -- an indication Nader could play the spoiler for Democrats in 2004 as he did four years ago. Underscoring that potential, nearly two-thirds of Democrats opposed Nader's decision to run, while nearly half of all Republicans supported his move.

Also, Bush begins the campaign with a strong reservoir of support that Kerry lacks: Nearly nine in 10 Bush supporters say they "strongly" support him, compared with two in three Kerry voters. In addition, six in 10 Kerry supporters say they are voting for the Democrat more as a protest against Bush and his policies, and not because they are attracted to Kerry. By contrast, nearly nine in 10 Bush voters say their support is based on their feelings toward the president, not disapproval of Kerry.

'Pushing the boulder up the hill'
The Bush campaign said the deterioration in the president's standing is a natural result of the Democratic nominating contest, in which the candidates all took aim at Bush. While predicting that Bush will remain tied with or trailing Kerry until the GOP convention this summer, Bush campaign strategist Matthew Dowd said Kerry's support is "soft," as Democratic nominee Michael Dukakis's was early in the 1988 campaign against George H.W. Bush. Kerry's high standing, Dowd added, "just shows you how little [voters] know about him," Dowd said, and is bound to change once Republicans step up their criticism of him

[jenninshelby]

used the F word during a recent Rolling Stones article about George Bush. Do you want a man in office that uses that kind of language in public?


Personally I love people that keep it real. Do you wanna talk about that time Bush was caught on air calling someone in the press an as*hole? Tsk.. Tsk....

[jenninshelby]

kym9, my fav. from Bush is "Man and Fish can co-exist." LOL!!!! :)

[TabooU]

used the F word during a recent Rolling Stones article about George Bush. Do you want a man in office that uses that kind of language in public?why not

[Rapunzel676]

Thanks for the laugh, Kym! I like the "Central America" one! :laugh2:

[pechuna]

The ill-tempered Kerry barks again:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/3/10/162221.shtml

[bulldglit]

The ill-tempered Kerry barks again:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/3/10/162221.shtml


Wow Pechuna. You should contact the White House. They're going to need another spin doctor.

This is what the article said:

That's what he said today in Chicago after a supporter urged him to step up his hateful attacks on President Bush.

"Let me tell you, we've just begun to fight," Kerry snarled in a speech broadcast to Big Labor fat cats meeting in luxurious Bal Harbour, Fla. "We're going to keep pounding. These guys are the most crooked, you know, lying group I've ever seen. It's scary."

I see no where Sen. Kerry stated that anyone that disagrees with me is a crook or liar. I think he was referring to President Bush and his group. As far as I am concerned, he nailed that analogy right on the head.

[carogonza]

Is he that far off base?

[pechuna]

Here's a mainstream media source crediting Kerry with the comment:

WASHINGTON — Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry (search) called Wednesday for deeper tax cuts for the middle class than proposed by President Bush and described his Republican critics as "the most crooked ... lying group I've ever seen." The chairman of Bush's re-election campaign called on Kerry to apologize "for this negative attack."

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,113882,00.html

[Carla]

"Bush-Cheney campaign chairman Marc Racicot (search) called on Kerry to apologize. Kerry said he's not sorry for his comments."
"Kerry spokesman David Wade said Kerry was referring to Republican critics in general and that the comment was intended to convey the message that "he's a Democrat who fights back."


At least he has the guts to say it and not apologize for it. At least he didn't play the "I didn't know someone heard me" or the "my statement was taken out of context" card. He stood behind what he said.

[pattyepye]

You know we live in this very phony, crazy world where everyone is keeping up appearances. Do you really think that any politician, of either party, maintains a "Sunday School" mouth 24/7? It is more realistic to hear a person vent, or even say the dreaded "F" word, than to maintain a mask of perfect respectability, even sainthood. The mask will crack...

This again is just the nit-picky election year come up with some "adult male bovine male mammal excrement". Doesn't that just roll off the tongue, that's what I always say when faced utter nonsense...sure.

[advantage2000]

You mean a good ol' Texas boy like Dubya would NEVER swear???? HA!

Or maybe they drilled it out of him when he was getting C's and doing coke at Yale.

[Txsweeper]

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com/

God Help Us

[pechuna]

At least Bush drilled for oil. All Kerry ever drilled was heiresses. :laugh:

[pattyepye]

Of course there are Vets against Kerry, there are probably Vets against Duct Tape.

pechuna, pechuna,pechuna

Kerry is a man of means and education, of course his circle of acquaintances are ladies of means. It is unfair to speculate his motives. tsk tsk :worry:

[advantage2000]

At least Bush drilled for oil. All Kerry ever drilled was heiresses. :laugh:

HEY, where's MY heiress?!

But honestly, Dubya doesn't need an heiress...he IS an heir to the Bush empire and all the power that goes along with it... how the heck do you think he stole the election in 2000?

[advantage2000]

http://www.vietnamveteransagainstjohnkerry.com/

God Help Us


A: Let's keep God out of this...he/she/it gets us into enough trouble!
B: There are MANY MORE Vets for Kerry (like me).

[c1986goose]

I seriously doubt that their are a lot of vets for Kerry. Who would back a man who calls you a murderer, rapist and such as this.

[LastLaugh]

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/veteransforkerry/
http://www.vetsforkerry.com
http://www.veteran4kerry.blogspot.com/2003_08_17_veteran4kerry_archive.html

[LastLaugh]

kym9 i think President Bush has something to say to you............

"I'm the commander—see, I don't need to explain—I don't need to explain why I say things. That's the interesting thing about being the President. Maybe somebody needs to explain to me why they say something, but I don't feel like I owe anybody an explanation."

- George W. Bush, Washington Post, 11-19-02

[pechuna]

Kerry exposed again:


http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040312-120719-7926r.htm

[bulldglit]

Kerry exposed again:


http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040312-120719-7926r.htm

Caution: Spin doctor at work without training or malpractice insurance :worry:

[Txsweeper]

You know it's one thing to slam a canidate you don't support and another to slam a member who has a different opinion!

[Rapunzel676]

Give me a break. The only person getting "slammed" here is John Kerry. :rolleyes:

[Mary Beth]

You know, I was delighted that John Kerry told the truth about that lying bunch (Bush and cohorts) and then I was doubly delighted that he didn't apologize!

So I went to the John Kerry for President site and gave them a contribution!!

Thank God we have someone running for President who's not afraid to tell the truth.

[carogonza]

You know, I was delighted that John Kerry told the truth about that lying bunch (Bush and cohorts) and then I was doubly delighted that he didn't apologize!

So I went to the John Kerry for President site and gave them a contribution!!

Thank God we have someone running for President who's not afraid to tell the truth.

:jump: :jump:

[Txsweeper]

Here are just a few issues that tell me I'm doing the right thing by NOT voting for Kerry:


Voted NO on prioritizing national debt reduction below tax cuts. (Apr 2000)
Voted NO on Balanced-budget constitutional amendment. (Mar 1997)
Moratorium on federal executions-only exception is terrorism. (Jan 25)
Voted YES on restricting class-action lawsuits. (Dec 1995)
Voted NO on mandatory prison terms for crimes involving firearms. (May 1994)
Voted NO on increasing penalties for drug offenses. (Nov 1999)
Voted NO on spending international development funds on drug control. (Jul 1996)
Voted NO on Educational Savings Accounts. (Mar 2000)
Voted NO on requiring schools to allow voluntary prayer. (Jul 1994)
Invent our way out of oil dependency-don't drill our way out. (Sep 2003)
Voted YES on reducing funds for road-building in National Forests. (Sep 1997)
Voted YES on limiting the President's power to impose economic sanctions. (Jul 1998)
Voted YES on banning "soft money" contributions and restricting issue ads (Mar 2002)(Oops)
Voted NO on require photo ID (not just signature) for voter registration. (Feb 2002)
Voted NO on more penalties for gun & drug violations. (May 1999)
Don't push seniors into HMOs; change Bush Rx plan. (Jan 25)
Voted NO on funding GOP version of Medicare prescription drug benefit. (Apr 2001)
Color-coded warning system needs to be changed. (Jan 11)
Automatic citizenship to immigrants who serves in army. (Sep 2003)
Voted YES on allowing another round of military base closures. (May 1999)
Amnesty to anyone here over 5 or 6 years. (Sep 2003)
Voted NO on allowing more foreign workers into the U.S. for farm work. (Jul 1998)
Voted NO on visas for skilled workers. (May 1998)
Voted YES on Internet sales tax moratorium. (Oct 1998)
Honors the separation of church and state. (Dec 2003)
Voted NO on $350 billion in tax breaks over 11 years. (May 2003)
Voted NO on cutting taxes by $1.35 trillion over 11 years. (May 2001)
Voted NO on eliminating the 'marriage penalty'. (Jul 2000)
Voted NO on $792B tax cuts. (Jul 1999)
Vietnam war was criminal hypocrisy and tore apart US. (Apr 1971)

And Finally, My favorite:
Flag burning is displeasing, but it's free expression. (Jan 25)

These were found on HIS website, by the way. Many more interesting facts about this man.
http://www.issues2000.org/Senate/John_Kerry.htm

[Carla]

Txsweeper-
Thanks for posting that link.
Here are a few reasons I DO support Kerry:

Voted NO on maintaining ban on Military Base Abortions. (Jun 2000)
Voted NO on disallowing overseas military abortions. (May 1999)
Voted YES on adding sexual orientation to definition of hate crimes. (Jun 2002)
Voted YES on expanding hate crimes to include sexual orientation. (Jun 2000)
Voted NO on prohibiting same-sex marriage. (Sep 1996)
Voted YES on prohibiting job discrimination by sexual orientation. (Sep 1996)
Voted NO on Amendment to prohibit flag burning. (Dec 1995)
Voted NO on $75M for abstinence education. (Jul 1996)
Voted NO on requiring schools to allow voluntary prayer. (Jul 1994)
Voted NO on drilling ANWR on national security grounds. (Apr 2002)
Voted NO on approving a nuclear waste repository. (Apr 1997)
Voted YES on requiring EPA risk assessments. (May 1994)
Voted YES on limiting the President's power to impose economic sanctions. (Jul 1998)
Voted YES on background checks at gun shows. (May 1999)
Voted YES on allowing patients to sue HMOs & collect punitive damages. (Jun 2001)
Voted YES on including prescription drugs under Medicare. (Jun 2000)
Voted NO on banning human cloning. (Feb 1998)
Voted YES on adopting the Comprehensive Nuclear Test Ban Treaty. (Oct 1999)
Voted YES on military pay raise of 4.8%. (Feb 1999)
Voted NO on prohibiting same-sex basic training. (Jun 1998)
Voted YES on banning chemical weapons. (Apr 1997)
Voted NO on killing an increase in the minimum wage. (Nov 1999)
Voted NO on allowing workers to choose between overtime & comp-time. (May 1997)
Voted YES on reducing marriage penalty instead of cutting top tax rates. (May 2001)
Voted YES on welfare overhaul. (Sep 1995)
Voted YES on restricting class-action lawsuits. (Dec 1995)
Voted NO on mandatory prison terms for crimes involving firearms. (May 1994)
Voted NO on increasing penalties for drug offenses. (Nov 1999)
Voted NO on requiring schools to allow voluntary prayer. (Jul 1994)
Voted YES on reducing funds for road-building in National Forests. (Sep 1997)
Honors the separation of church and state. (Dec 2003)

[LastLaugh]

Here are just a few issues that tell me I'm doing the right thing by NOT voting for Kerry:

But what will you do WHEN he's elected President?

[Txsweeper]

But what will you do WHEN he's elected President?

Well, unlike many from the last election, I won't threaten to leave the U.S. (Warren Beatty, and others) and then make a fool of myself by staying!!

I'm not worried about him being elected, I don't think it will happen. JMHO The reason Kerry hates that GW used scenes from 9/11 in his ads is because it shows PATRIOTISM and that is one thing Kerry absolutely hates!

I think it will be sad if Kerry is elected. I was raised to stand and put my hand over my heart when the American Flag passes before me and I was raised to respect it's presence, period! I believe in America and I'm proud to be an American. I would never dream of burning a flag and would like to see those who do so, punished! If you feel the need, burn the symbol, but don't touch the FLAG!

GOD BLESS AMERICA

Oops, is that bringing Church and State together???

[LastLaugh]

I would never dream of burning a flag and would like to see those who do so, punished.

You don't believe in free speech? How Un-American.

[pattyepye]

And Finally, My favorite:
Flag burning is displeasing, but it's free expression. (Jan 25)



Flag burning is a very very old issue. Believe it first showed up during the VietNam war.
They were burning flags and burning bras in those days. I personally don't feel the need to burn either.

[pechuna]

Texas,

Don't be worrying about Kerry. His candidacy is a lot like St. Joseph's in the NCAA Basketball Tournament: an underdog from the East that finds themselves in the Big Leagues.

[Txsweeper]

You don't believe in free speech? How Un-American.

Of course I do, you can TALK about burning anything you want....doesn't bother me a bit.

[sallykay]

It is well settled that free speech does not mean just "talk".

[Txsweeper]

I am very much aware that Free Speech consists of more than voicing ones opinion, I'm aware that Supreme Court has upheld a ruling that burning the American Flag is a form of free speech, but along with millions of other Americans, I don't agree with it.

[pattyepye]

You know, I was delighted that John Kerry told the truth about that lying bunch (Bush and cohorts) and then I was doubly delighted that he didn't apologize!

So I went to the John Kerry for President site and gave them a contribution!!

Thank God we have someone running for President who's not afraid to tell the truth.

Mary Beth, I couldn't agree with you more......really like that part about not apologizing, standing firm....great.

[yadgirl]

I'm not worried about him [Kerry] being elected, I don't think it will happen. JMHO The reason Kerry hates that GW used scenes from 9/11 in his ads is because it shows PATRIOTISM and that is one thing Kerry absolutely hates!

No, Bush using scenes from 9/11 to promote himself in an election doesn't show Patriotism, but I'm sure Bush would be happy to know that some people believe it does.

yad

[bulldglit]

The reason Kerry hates that GW used scenes from 9/11 in his ads is because it shows PATRIOTISM and that is one thing Kerry absolutely hates!

I believe that Senator Kerry's patriotism is well documented by the medals he received in Vietnam. Obviously, Mr. Bush did not serve in Vietnam. They couldn't even get him to stay on an Air Force Base in the states when others were being blown apart over there. Patriotism is when you put the needs of your country before yourself. It is facing death for your country (Like John Kerry did) not drinking with your buddies(like George Bush did )

How is showing pictures of innocents killed in the bombings patriotism? Mr. Bush did not run into the burning towers to save people. He did not grab a gun and fly to Afghanistan to personally hunt Bin Ladin. All members of congress acted admirably during that time. Mrs. Clinton also made visits to the site but she has no more rights to use that footage than Mr. Bush did. I believe that Mr. Bush handled that sad time in our Nation extremely well. My problem is what he did since then, including his administration misleading the American people and the whole world as to the facts surrounding weapons in Iraq. I have no problem with his actions in Afghanistan. A large majority of the terorists were there. Bin Laden is still there. Had he stayed with Afghanistan and focused our troops on finding him, I would probably have continued to support him. Had he focused on our economy and the problems in this nation rather than spending billions of dollars to blow up Iraq, I probably would have supported him. Unfortunately, it appears to me that Mr. Bush has started his own little Vietnam disaster in the middle east. Hopefully, Senator Kerry will be able to use his experience in Vietnam to get us out of it with our dignity in tact and most of our boys home safe. I am tired of seeing them come home in flag covered caskets.

I think it will be sad if Kerry is elected. I was raised to stand and put my hand over my heart when the American Flag passes before me and I was raised to respect it's presence, period! I believe in America and I'm proud to be an American. I would never dream of burning a flag and would like to see those who do so, punished! If you feel the need, burn the symbol, but don't touch the FLAG!

I was raised to stand in respect for the American flag myself. I was raised on a military installation and trust me we were taught respect for our country on a daily basis. I also disagree that our flag should be burned. However, I respect the constitutional rights of others to do so. I do not always agree with what the Courts decide. Our clients and I have to face that situation almost every day. That does not mean that their decision is wrong and my opinion is right. That is simply the foundation of our Nation. It may not always be perfect for us on an individual basis, but is as close to perfect as it can be compared to the rest of the world.

[pechuna]

Relaxing at your wife's $5 million Sun Valley mansion:

http://www.drudgereport.com/kerryid.htm

[pattyepye]

Well good for him, hope he gets some well-deserved R & R.

[superchickee]

wHO'S rICHER? bush or kerry? :nana:

[carogonza]

Good for him. I wish I were that rich! Why shouldn't Kerry take a vacation when Bush seems to take one every month at his large and probably just as expensive ranch in Texas!

[advantage2000]

Relaxing at your wife's $5 million Sun Valley mansion:

http://www.drudgereport.com/kerryid.htm

So hold on... you're saying that a person is BAD if they have money? Dubya owns half of Texas for God's sake!

No one said because you espouse liberal ideals you had to be POOR!

[auntputz]

Once again UGGGGGGGGGGGGGGG! I can't wait till november when Kerry gets my vote!

[superchickee]

I can't wait till it's all over too! :toot: Bush RULES!!!!

[yadgirl]

For me, it's going to be choosing the lesser of 2 Evils.

I'm praying for another choice!

yad

[c1986goose]

Good morning America. It is now the day after the Presidential elections. All the votes have been tabulated and it is a glorious time, because President George W. Bush has won re-election. Four more years! :cheer7: Four more years! :cheer7:

Senator John Kerry put up a noble fight, but never could bring credibility to his tarnished VietNam protesting image and negative voting record in Congress. Vets for Bush carried the day! America saw thru Kerry's liberal, socialist leaning and sent him home.

Can and will happen. GO BUSH!!! :royal: :toot:

[Defenderofthefaith]

:toot: GO Bush! :toot:

[Current]

Last time I looked it was March 2004. And if I am not mistaken, I believe the Presidential election is due to be held in November 2004.

Maybe I missed a few months.

But it's great that Shrub fans can have their dreams and fantasies! :laugh:

[c1986goose]

No much more than you do yours, Current.

Just a look into the future. The bright future.

I am glad that you know the date also.

But it is all in fun isn't it?

[ignoramoose]

So he's a snowboarder, not a skier, eh? I wouldn't have thought him to be the snowboard type....hmmm.

This is an AP photo, and I can't find it anywhere else other than the main page of the AP otherwise I would've linked to the story.

http://www.ap.org/index.html

[pattyepye]

Good morning America. It is now the day after the Presidential elections. All the votes have been tabulated


well if the past election is a precedent, we may not have all the votes tabulated until 2005.
But I will be optimistic, and hope Florida has upgraded their voting system.

[pechuna]

Very interesting:


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1101101/posts

[Txsweeper]

Excellent reading!

[pechuna]

who he blames for his fall:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1101188/posts

[ups91]

It's so nice to know that a man aspiring to be President has such a foul mouth on him. Great role model for our kids. I am sure Bush isn't a saint either, but Kerry has used foul language numerous times in public already.

[salymsmommy]

Please people. Like none of y'all have ever used a bad word before.....

And besides, that they don't even say what the word was so how do you know how bad it was? He could have said butt head for all we know. Oh the tragedy!!!

What does that have to do with running a country?

[carogonza]

I agree sally. A lot of people curse and it's not that big of a deal. I am sure Dubya has used choice words himself and he is running the country. (yikes)

[pattyepye]

Let him without expletives cast the first stone. :laugh:

[LastLaugh]

"There's Adam Clymer, major league a****** from the New York Times."
George Bush Sept. 4 2000
"You f****** son of a b****. I saw what you wrote. We're not going to forget this."-- to writer Al Hunt,
George Bush 1998
At a 1999, fundraiser in Washington, then-candidate Bush told a group of Republicans that his goal as President would be to “reverse all the ****ups of the Clinton administration and then **** the Democrats over.”

[pechuna]

Botox Boy booboos........again:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1102309/posts

[pechuna]

He's falling down everywhere, the slopes, the polls etc:

http://www.nypost.com/gossip/pagesix_u.htm

[nicololoid]

I personally could care less about the use of fowl language in who I choose for a political candidate.

[yadgirl]

I do care what kind of language political candidates use, but even more than that, I pay attention to motive. Neither Bush nor Kerry cut it for me.

yad

[sweepyhead]

We have seen 2.3 million jobs being sucked into a black hole, Iraq is at the brink of civil war, our soldiers are being picked off at the rate of one per day, Al Queda is regrouping in Afghanistan and the Taliban have reoccupied much of the country, gas is over $2 a gallon, our national deficit is over $500 billion dollars, there doesn't seem to be any economic plan from the Bushies beyond more taxcuts.

More importantly, of course, are the problems posed by Kerry's haircuts, his use of Botox (or not), his wife's late husband's fortune, his ski trip. Why doesn't anybody care about the issues? Is anybody listening? Are you awake, or are you mesmerized by Janet Jackson's breast?

Sweepy:sleep2:

[pechuna]

Using Janet Jackson's boob for a new low in good taste:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1102565/posts

[Current]

I agree, Sweepyhead. It's the ole "ostrich head in the sand" story again. Focusing on the meaningless, trivial stuff so that the main points will be ignored. Happens every election. Let the dirtslinging begin. :laugh:

[jenninshelby]

I personally could care less about the use of fowl language in who I choose for a political candidate.

Same here. I find Kerry refreshing and thought it was pretty funny. If this had happened to me I would have probably cursed too. Big deal.

[ravengoth]

here is a link from my weekly democrats.com enews:

http://impeachcentral.com/elandslide/petition.cfm?campaign=impeach

[LastLaugh]

KERRY NAMES FOREIGN LEADER WHO SUPPORTS HIM: HIS WIFE - Doesn’t Count, Says Powell (Parody)

parody - n 1: a composition that imitates somebody's style in a humorous way

In a land of the brain dead the moron is king. - not so ancient proverb

[pechuna]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/040321/480/bx10103212130

[pechuna]

http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%257E29003%257E2026871,00.html

[LastLaugh]

Very good advice from Walter Cronkite.
he also writes a valid assessment of Bush's budgetary mess -
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%257E29003%257E1996843,00.html
and the false reasoning behind our going to war with Iraq -
http://www.denverpost.com/Stories/0,1413,36%257E29003%257E1996843,00.html

[pechuna]

Why John Kerry needs to release his military file.


From a Vietnam Veteran:

I was in the Delta shortly after he left. I know that area well. I
know the operations he was involved in well. I know the tactics and the
doctrine used. I know the equipment. Although I was attached to
CTF-116 (PBRs) I spent a fair amount of time with CTF-115 (swift
boats), Kerry's command.

Here are my problems and suspicions:

(1) Kerry was in-country less than four months and collected, a Bronze
Star, a Silver Star and three purple hearts. I never heard of anybody
with any outfit I worked with (including SEAL One, the Sea Wolves,
Riverines and the River Patrol Force) collecting that much hardware so
fast, and for such pedestrian actions. The Swifts did a commendable job.
But that duty wasn't the worst you could draw. They operated only
along the coast and in the major rivers (Bassac and Mekong). The rough
stuff in the hot areas was mainly handled by the smaller, faster PBRs.
(2) Three Purple Hearts but no limp. All injuries so minor that no
time lost from duty. Amazing luck. Or he was putting himself in for
medals every time he bumped his head on the wheel house hatch? Combat
on the boats was almost always at close range. You didn't have minor
wounds. At least not often. Not three times in a row. Then he used
the three purple hearts to request a trip home eight months before the
end of his tour. Fishy.


(3) The details of the event for which he was given the Silver Star
make no sense at all. Supposedly, a B-40 was fired at the boat and
missed. Charlie jumps up with the launcher in his hand, the bow gunner
knocks him down with the twin .50, Kerry beaches the boat, jumps off,
shoots Charlie, and retreives the launcher. If true, he did everything
wrong.
(a) Standard procedure when you took rocket fire was to put your
stern to the action and go balls to the wall. A B-40 has the ballistic integrity of a
frisbie after about 25 yards, so you put 50 yards or so
between you and the beach and begin raking it with your .50's.
(b) Did you ever see anybody get knocked down with a .50 caliber
round and get up? The guy was dead or dying. The rocket launcher was
empty. There was no reason to go after him (except if you knew he was
no danger to you just flopping around in the dust during his last few
seconds on earth, and you wanted some derring do in your after-action
report). And we didn't shoot wounded people. We had rules against that,
too.
(c) Kerry got off the boat. This was a major breach of standing
procedures. Nobody on a boat crew ever got off a boat in a hot area.
EVER! The reason was simple. If you had somebody on the beach your
boat was defenseless. It coudn't run and it couldn' t return fire. It
was stupid and! it put his crew in danger. He should have been relieved
and reprimanded. I never heard of any boat crewman ever leaving a boat
during or after a firefight.

Something is fishy.

Here we have a JFK wannabe (the guy Halsey wanted to court martial for
carelessly losing his boat and getting a couple people killed by running
across the bow of a Jap destroyer) who is hardly in Vietnam long enough
to get good tan, collects medals faster than Audie Murphy in a job where
lots of medals weren't common, gets sent home eight months early,
requests separation from active duty a few months after that so he can
run for Congress, finds out war heros don't sell well in Massachsetts in
1970 so reinvents himself as Jane Fonda, throws his ribbons in the dirt
with the cameras running to jump start his political career, gets
Stillborn Pell to invite him to address Congress and Bobby Kennedy's
speechwriter to do the heavy lifting, winds up in the Senate himself a
few years later, votes agai! nst every major defense bill, says the CIA is
irrelevant after the Wall came down, votes against the Gulf War, a big
mistake since that turned out well, decides not to make the same mistake
twice so votes for invading Iraq, but oops, that didn't turn out so well
so he now says he really didn't mean for Bush to go to war when he voted
to allow him to go to war.


I'm real glad you or I never had this guy covering out flanks in
Vietnam. I sure don't want him as Commander in Chief. I hope that
somebody from CTF-115 shows up with some facts challenging Kerry's
Vietnam record. I know in my gut it's wildy inflated. And fishy.

[yadgirl]

Strait from Snopes:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/service.asp

Claim: John Kerry's Vietnam War service medals (a Bronze Star, a Silver Star and three Purple Hearts) were earned under "fishy" circumstances.

Status: False.

Example: [Collected on the Internet 2004]

[advantage2000]

Strait from Snopes:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/service.asp

Claim: John Kerry's Vietnam War service medals (a Bronze Star, a Silver Star and three Purple Hearts) were earned under "fishy" circumstances.

Status: False.

Example: [Collected on the Internet 2004]

You "Snopesed" it faster than I could! I love Snopes... I always go there first to debunk all the crap email my family sends me... :rolleyes:

I also love that Pechuna actually word for word grabbed the "sample of crap email your family would send you to make this claim" :laugh:

[Current]

Politics are so much fun, aren't they? :laugh:

[yadgirl]

:grad: :laugh:

[pechuna]

Globe Magazine issue dated April 6, 2004. At your newstand now:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1105480/posts

[Mary Beth]

So, when is Dubya going to release his arrest records?

[sweepyhead]

Globe Magazine issue dated April 6, 2004. At your newstand now:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1105480/posts

Not only that, Kerry received his "sex disease" from a green being from space, who has birthed his baby. The child has been named H. Yiwpirieipwowoepob Kerry.

I read it in the Globe while checking out my groceries. Yep, it done said so.

Sweepy:sleep2:

[advantage2000]

Globe Magazine issue dated April 6, 2004. At your newstand now:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1105480/posts

I see that the Free Republic is using their sister-publication The Globe as their source. :rolleyes:

[pechuna]

Free Republic is a site where people post links to news sources. No affiliation to the Globe.

Free Republic has many linked stories from publications you like ie. Washington post, New York Times, CBS News etc.

[carogonza]

AH. . . the Globe. If they have it in the Globe then it has to be true. I mean no one covers three headed babies and martians like the Globe. And they are the only ones who keep telling us where Elvis is. You can't beat journalism like that.

[ignoramoose]

I would just like to remind everyone that ALL of the John Kerry links and news need to go in this main thread. Thanks.

[Carla]

Gotta love the Globe. I spent a minute googling and found a great headline from last summer. "President Bush spends tax dollars on Cocaine"
Guess everything in tabloids is true. I need to start paying more attention to them.

[pechuna]

Turn your speakers up:

http://www.gop.com/kerryvskerry/

[carogonza]

Gotta love the Globe. I spent a minute googling and found a great headline from last summer. "President Bush spends tax dollars on Cocaine"
Guess everything in tabloids is true. I need to start paying more attention to them.


Wow, I think spending tax dollars on cocaine is far worse than getting an STD from a Hollywood starlet. Bad, Dubya, :halo: Bad.

[Txsweeper]

SMART KID

A teacher in a small liberal Vermont town asks her class how many of them are John Kerry fans. Not really knowing what a John Kerry fan is, but wanting to be liked by the teacher, all the kids raise their hands except one boy.

The teacher asks Johnny why he has decided to be different.

Johnny says, "I'm not a John Kerry fan."

The teacher says, "Why aren't you a John Kerry fan?"

Johnny says, "I'm a George Bush fan."

The teacher asks why he's a George Bush fan.

The boy says, "Well, my mom's a George Bush fan and my dad's a George Bush fan, so I'm a George Bush fan!"

The teacher is kind of angry, because this IS Vermont, so she asks, "What if your Mom was a moron and your dad was an idiot, what would that make you?"

Johnny says, "That would make me a John Kerry fan."

[Karen_246]

I'm going to share this one, thanks...


:laugh: :rofl2:


Karen

[Veuve-Cliquot]

:rolleyes4 Wow, that was even funnier than the FIRST time you posted it, Txssweeper. :rolleyes4

[Karen_246]

Well, I hadn't seen it before Tx and I think that it is funny, so thanks for sharing...




Karen

[pechuna]

Thanks, Texas. I'm sure that kid is at the head of his class. :read:

[pechuna]

It will be interesting to see how this develops:

http://www.time.com/time/election2004/article/0,18471,605436,00.html

[advantage2000]

It will be interesting to see how this develops:

http://www.time.com/time/election2004/article/0,18471,605436,00.html

A: The Catholic Church has no "problem" with Kerry. The headline was A Test of Kerry's Faith
B: The Pope is concerned about ALL political Catholics, and has warned ALL of them to shape up and fly right. (In other words kowtow to El Popo).
C: The Catholic Church is scrambling to retain relevance in an era when a significant portion of its members are disgruntled with it's rigidity on issues like celebacy, abortion, birth control, patriarchal hatred of women, pedophilia, etc. It has chosen to take the hard line on all issues, which has caused ALL Catholics, not just Kerry to reexamine their spirituality.

(Personally, as a disgruntled Catholic, I try to pick the best parts of the religion to govern my morality, and ignore the rest of the Pope's background noise. I feel that this church has completely lost its relevance in the 21st century, and will slip into history if it chooses to remain inflexible.)

[jenninshelby]

Wow, I think spending tax dollars on cocaine is far worse than getting an STD from a Hollywood starlet. Bad, Dubya, :halo: Bad.

Speaking of cocaine.. Didn't Bush used to ride the white horse? I have read some articles saying he used to use coke. Of course I know better than to buy everything I read in the press but I do wonder if it is true.

[c1986goose]

For your reading and viewing pleasure....

http://www.greenberet.net/Kerry/VVAW/dewey3.htm

[pattyepye]

Enjoyed the pictures, 1984goose, thanks for posting.

[iggy1I]

I enjoyed it also. Thank you! :wink3:

[advantage2000]

For your reading and viewing pleasure....

http://www.greenberet.net/Kerry/VVAW/dewey3.htm

That is totally cool... even then there were some sparks of great things!

:cheer:

[pechuna]

The White House begun airing their TV commercials to re-elect the president,
and the John Kerry campaign is condemning his use of 9/11 in the ads. He
said, it is unconscionable to use the tragic memory of a war in order to
get elected, unless of course, it's the Vietnam War." - Jay Leno

"John Kerry has promised to take this country back from the wealthy. Who
better than the guy worth $700 million to take the country back? See, he
knows how the wealthy think. He can spy on them at his country club, at his
place in Palm Beach, at his house in the Hamptons. He's like a mole for the
working man." - Jay Leno

"I'm worried about John Kerry, he's so confident now that he's already
planning his White House sex scandal." - David Letterman

"John Kerry will be the Democratic nominee for president. Democrats finally
found someone who is Al Gore without the flash and the sizzle." - Craig
Kilborn

"Kerry has already begun his search for a running mate. They say that
because John Edwards still has $50 million in campaign money, Kerry might
pick him. Pick him? Hey, for $50 million, Kerry will change his position on
gay marriage and marry him." - Jay Leno

"Yesterday Senator John Kerry changed his mind and now supports the ban
on gay marriages. I'm telling you this guy has more positions than Paris
Hilton." - David Letterman

"According to a new study, Botox injections can help back pain. So you see,
that's why John Kerry had all that Botox - his back was killing him from
all that flip-flopping on issues." - Jay Leno

"An Internet report claims that John Kerry had an affair with a young
woman, but that she still loves him and will deny it. When asked if this was
similar to the Clinton-Lewinsky scandal, a spokesman said 'Close, but no cigar.'"
- Jimmy Fallon, Saturday Night Live

"Over the weekend, John Kerry - the big John Kerry juggernaut moves on -
he won primaries in Washington D.C., Nevada and, I think, Canada. And
he's so confident that he's started nailing that intern again." - David
Letterman

"The head of the AFL-CIO endorsed John Kerry, saying, 'The time has come
to come behind one man, one leader, one candidate.' Then he said, 'And
until we find that man, we will have to endorse John Kerry.'" - Conan
O'Brien

"The Democrats are all over this. Democratic strategists feel John Kerry's
war record means he can beat Bush. They say when it comes down to it voters
will always vote for a war hero over someone who tried to get out of the war.
I'll be sure to mention that to Bob Dole when I see him." - Jay Leno

"John Kerry said today that he wants to get rid of tax cuts for the rich
and his wife said, 'Hey, shut up! What's the matter with you?! Are you nuts?!'"
Jay Leno

"They had a profile of John Kerry on the news and they said his FIRST WIFE
was worth around $300 million and his SECOND WIFE, his current wife, is
worth around $700 million. His intern (with whom he supposedly had an
affair) was worth several more million. So when John Kerry says he's going
after the wealthy in this country, he's not just talking. He's doing it!" -
Jay Leno

"In his big victory speech last night, Senator Kerry said that he wanted to
defeat George Bush and the 'economy of privilege.' Then he hugged his wife,
Teresa, heir to the multi-million dollar Heinz food fortune." - Jay Leno

"A new poll shows that Senator Kerry's support in the South is strongest
amongst blacks. Kerry's appeal to Southern blacks is obvious. He is an
ultra-liberal, ultra-wealthy white man who lives far, far away." - Dennis
Miller

"The big winner on Super Tuesday was Senator John Kerry. He won 39
percent of the vote, which is pretty good, and begs the question, why
the long face?" - Jay Leno

"In his speech last night, John Kerry said this was the beginning of the
end of the Bush administration. I agree. Sure, it will probably take another
five years, but this is it." - Jay Leno


:laugh:

[Cerris]

ROFLMAO!!! Those are great! And they will only get better as election day draws near. Thanks Pechuna.

[ifionly1]

thank for sharing those funnies! :rofl3:

[advantage2000]

This one probably should go in the Kerry Sticky thread... :rolleyes4

But for some real humor, check out the Dubya humor on the Bush Sticky thread.

:nana:

[Txsweeper]

Thanks for the laugh this morning, I needed it!!

[ignoramoose]

PLEASE post ALL John Kerry related items, be they opinions, articles, jokes or comics in this main thread. I am getting really tired of merging all the threads.

[superchickee]

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[pattyepye]

:nana: SMART KID

A teacher in a small conservative Texas town asks her class how many of them are George Bush fans. Not really knowing what a George Bush fan is, but wanting to be liked by the teacher, all the kids raise their hands except one boy.

The teacher asks Johnny why he has decided to be different.

Johnny says, "I'm not a George Bush fan."

The teacher says, "Why aren't you a George Bush fan?"

Johnny says, "I'm a John Kerry fan."

The teacher asks why he's a John Kerry fan.

The boy says, "Well, my mom's a John Kerry fan and my dad's a John Kerry fan, so I'm a John Kerry fan!"

The teacher is kind of angry, because this IS Texas, so she asks, "What if your Mom was a moron and your dad was an idiot, what would that make you?"

Johnny says, "That would make me a George Bush fan."

[Arcadian]

It's Funny both ways....

[pechuna]

B.G. Burkett: Navy Commanders to Cast Doubt on Kerry's War Record

Several Navy officers who supervised Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry when he commanded a swift boat in Vietnam are preparing to publicly question his war record - including the circumstances under which he was awarded three Purple Hearts - a noted Vietnam War historian revealed on Sunday.

Burkett, whose 1999 book, "Stolen Valor," is considered to be the definitive history of of falsified Vietnam War claims, told WABC Radio's Steve Malzberg that Kerry's former commanders would allege that the top Democrat's Purple Hearts were awarded for "self-reported injuries that were virtually nonexistent."

"He never got a day of treatment, he never spent a day in a medical facility," Burkett said. "These were all self-reported wounds, which you're going to hear from some swift boat guys in the future as to the nature of those wounds."

Burkett said he had personally spoken to the Navy commanders who were preparing to go public about Kerry's decorations.

"You're going to get quite a showing [of those speaking out]," Burkett told Malzberg. "I don't know [the number] yet. They're trying to get it to be unanimous of every swift boat guy who ever served."

As to the timetable for the upcoming revelations, Burkett said that Kerry's superior officers "were still discussing that."

"You've got some major rallys being planned against John Kerry by Vietnam veterans on the mall, at the convention - this type of thing," he said. "And we're going to make America aware of John Kerry's military record."


http://www.newsmaxstore.com/nms/showdetl.cfm?&DID=6&Product_ID=47&CATID=1

[advantage2000]

B.G. Burkett: Navy Commanders to Cast Doubt on Kerry's War Record

Several Navy officers who supervised Democratic presidential candidate John Kerry when he commanded a swift boat in Vietnam are preparing to publicly question his war record - including the circumstances under which he was awarded three Purple Hearts - a noted Vietnam War historian revealed on Sunday.

Burkett, whose 1999 book, "Stolen Valor," is considered to be the definitive history of of falsified Vietnam War claims, told WABC Radio's Steve Malzberg that Kerry's former commanders would allege that the top Democrat's Purple Hearts were awarded for "self-reported injuries that were virtually nonexistent."

"He never got a day of treatment, he never spent a day in a medical facility," Burkett said. "These were all self-reported wounds, which you're going to hear from some swift boat guys in the future as to the nature of those wounds."

Burkett said he had personally spoken to the Navy commanders who were preparing to go public about Kerry's decorations.

"You're going to get quite a showing [of those speaking out]," Burkett told Malzberg. "I don't know [the number] yet. They're trying to get it to be unanimous of every swift boat guy who ever served."

As to the timetable for the upcoming revelations, Burkett said that Kerry's superior officers "were still discussing that."

"You've got some major rallys being planned against John Kerry by Vietnam veterans on the mall, at the convention - this type of thing," he said. "And we're going to make America aware of John Kerry's military record."


http://www.newsmaxstore.com/nms/showdetl.cfm?&DID=6&Product_ID=47&CATID=1

Wasn't it you who accused Richard Clarke of being a whore who was just trying to sell a book??

[pechuna]

Yes, he was selling a new book. Burkett's book was written in 1999. He is now doing research to see if the war hero is a phony.

Kerry could release his military records along with his FBI file unless he has something to hide.

:nono:

[Txsweeper]

I recently saw a documentary on the claims of Burkett and found it quite shocking! Horray for him. And yes, I'd say the same if the role of Kerry in the title was reversed to read Bush.

[kellerma]

I have read every post on both the Bush and Kerry threads and find that the Bush haters are much more vindictive and vitriolic in their posts. Not too many posts from Bush supporters, either on the Bush thread in support of Bush or on the Kerry thread, downing Kerry. Why do they hate Bush so much? I guess I shouldn't have asked that question because more tirades will follow.

Bush, in my very humble opinion, at least has convictions that cause him to act in one way or the other. I do not see that in John Kerry.

K

[pattyepye]

Little angel Kellerma, I don't see it that way at all. I feel sorry for Pres. Bush, born into a political family, but still as dysfunctional as the rest of us. Never a high achiever, didn't show up for service. Had his own addictions....like the rest of us.

But kellerma, if I needed to trust a president for fairness, for a peace effort, to help the environment, I will pray long and hard before I cast a vote.

[suelee000]

The selected president.

I prefer that people EARN the right to be president and not be able to buy it with daddy's money and influence

I'm for separation of chuch and state

I'm for free speech

I don't use my religious beliefs to hurt others.

I think that blowing the cover of a CIA agent is a crime that should be punished not dismissed as politics as usual

I'm pro-choice

I think that what goes on between 2 consenting adults is none of my business

I know people who can't make ends meet without overtime pay.

I don't think that Yellowstone National Park should be as polluted as Los Angeles

We had a huge surplus when Bush took office. Our great great grandchildren will be paying for Bill Gates tax cut and Halliburton's contracts with the military.

I think that ideology should not dictate science

I don't think that the president should be able to make people disappear into a black hole because he's able to declare someone an enemy of the state.

I don't think that over the hill cold warriors who can't stop obsessing about the unfinished business of the last Bush administration should be sending us to war

ERIC was one of the oldest and most respected research databases around. It's being privatized. Taxpayer funded research that is given to a private company and then re-sold to the taxpayer at a huge profit.

[pattyepye]

I think that blowing the cover of a CIA agent is a crime that should be punished not dismissed as politics as usual

Thank you Suelee for your great post, and this is the straw, don't let us ever give up.

[pechuna]

http://www.nypost.com/gossip/pagesix.htm

[Txsweeper]

I have read every post on both the Bush and Kerry threads and find that the Bush haters are much more vindictive and vitriolic in their posts. Not too many posts from Bush supporters, either on the Bush thread in support of Bush or on the Kerry thread, downing Kerry. Why do they hate Bush so much? I guess I shouldn't have asked that question because more tirades will follow.

Bush, in my very humble opinion, at least has convictions that cause him to act in one way or the other. I do not see that in John Kerry.

K


Because some people feel the need to "attack" rather than "debate". So, if by chance, they have a valid point, it is ignored and trashed. I don't like arguing with them, their beliefs are fueled with anger, name-calling and temper tantrums. Maybe some of them have been personally hurt by a decision Bush made, like the war, and I can understand that they are hurt and I respect that. I would be hurt also if my son or husband were in Iraq right now.

But most of the others, are just naturally name callers. They can't argue the issues, so they place blame on the one man they feel is to blame for everything wrong in the world today. If they can't blame him, they skip a few years and blame his father. They forget the good things Bush did for them, like, I'm sure, they weren't sending those tax refund checks back to the White House with Void written across them, telling GW to please apply their share of the wealth to the deficit.

[Kym]

Tx...

Don't you see that your entire last post consisted of name-calling and a personal attack on the liberals on this thread? Jeesh.

[suelee000]

Because some people feel the need to "attack" rather than "debate". So, if by chance, they have a valid point, it is ignored and trashed. I don't like arguing with them, their beliefs are fueled with anger, name-calling and temper tantrums. Maybe some of them have been personally hurt by a decision Bush made, like the war, and I can understand that they are hurt and I respect that. I would be hurt also if my son or husband were in Iraq right now.

But most of the others, are just naturally name callers. They can't argue the issues, so they place blame on the one man they feel is to blame for everything wrong in the world today. If they can't blame him, they skip a few years and blame his father. They forget the good things Bush did for them, like, I'm sure, they weren't sending those tax refund checks back to the White House with Void written across them, telling GW to please apply their share of the wealth to the deficit.

Instead of complaining that those who donh't like Bush are just name callers, why don't you address some of the issues raised on my post? I'll repeat it below.

The selected president.

I prefer that people EARN the right to be president and not be able to buy it with daddy's money and influence

I'm for separation of chuch and state

I'm for free speech

I don't use my religious beliefs to hurt others.

I think that blowing the cover of a CIA agent is a crime that should be punished not dismissed as politics as usual

I'm pro-choice

I think that what goes on between 2 consenting adults is none of my business

I know people who can't make ends meet without overtime pay.

I don't think that Yellowstone National Park should be as polluted as Los Angeles

We had a huge surplus when Bush took office. Our great great grandchildren will be paying for Bill Gates tax cut and Halliburton's contracts with the military.

I think that ideology should not dictate science

I don't think that the president should be able to make people disappear into a black hole because he's able to declare someone an enemy of the state.

I don't think that over the hill cold warriors who can't stop obsessing about the unfinished business of the last Bush administration should be sending us to war

ERIC was one of the oldest and most respected research databases around. It's being privatized. Taxpayer funded research that is given to a private company and then re-sold to the taxpayer at a huge profit.

[iggy1I]

Instead of complaining that those who donh't like Bush are just name callers, why don't you address some of the issues raised on my post? I'll repeat it below.

The selected president.

I prefer that people EARN the right to be president and not be able to buy it with daddy's money and influence

I'm for separation of chuch and state

I'm for free speech

I don't use my religious beliefs to hurt others.

I think that blowing the cover of a CIA agent is a crime that should be punished not dismissed as politics as usual

I'm pro-choice

I think that what goes on between 2 consenting adults is none of my business

I know people who can't make ends meet without overtime pay.

I don't think that Yellowstone National Park should be as polluted as Los Angeles

We had a huge surplus when Bush took office. Our great great grandchildren will be paying for Bill Gates tax cut and Halliburton's contracts with the military.

I think that ideology should not dictate science

I don't think that the president should be able to make people disappear into a black hole because he's able to declare someone an enemy of the state.

I don't think that over the hill cold warriors who can't stop obsessing about the unfinished business of the last Bush administration should be sending us to war

ERIC was one of the oldest and most respected research databases around. It's being privatized. Taxpayer funded research that is given to a private company and then re-sold to the taxpayer at a huge profit.
AMEN sister! :bow:

[Txsweeper]

Okay suelee00o:
#1. What the Hell is wrong with money? Are you so poor that you despise those of privilege? Prove to me that "Daddy's money" bought him the race and I'll give it to you, otherwise stop being a poor loser, my God, it's been four years now, get over it!

#2. Good for you, I am for putting prayer back into our schools so that our children are raised with morals since obviously we've been doing a pretty sh**y job without it.

#3. So are a million other Americans, what's your point? Did President Bush tell you to sit down and be quiet?

#4 Then you're not a member of a party fighting a Holy War. That's good to hear, neither are any of us.

#5 I am not a judge, nor am I this jury. I try not to place blame until I hear the whole story.

#6. I am Pro-choice also, isn't it great to be an American!

#7. I also think that what's gone on between consenting adults in none of my business.

#8. I know people who are starving and on unemployment and would love just to make regular pay. It's life, get over it.

#9. I don't think LA should be polluted, let's work together to find answers for our growing nation and the population.

#10. Huge Surplus?????? Are you dreaming? Where did you hear that?

#11. And I think that the world is an ever evolving mass that has room for both.

#12. Hmmmm, whose missing?

#13. Over the Hill Warriors? Great adjectives!

#14. And whose fault was that? Don't tell me, I know, Bush!

There, do you feel better. That doesn't make me any different than you, I'm still me and you're still you. I don't agree with the way you see somethings and Lord knows, you don't agree with anything the was I see it, so we'll walk, hand in hand together and maybe someday we'll all live in PEACE. Until then.......we're here.

[Txsweeper]

Tx...

Don't you see that your entire last post consisted of name-calling and a personal attack on the liberals on this thread? Jeesh.

Nope, didn't call one person a name. Didn't personally attack one person, conservative or liberal. Jeesh

[Kym]

Actually you attacked a whole group of people TX - anyone who disagrees with you. Propaganda and persuasion experts would probably call it "indirect namecalling."

You've set it to invalidate the arguments of anyone who disagrees with you because, clearly if they disagree with your OPINION they:

*feel the need to attack not debate - I've seen a lot of debating going on on both sides, and very little attacking
*our beliefs are fueled by anger
*we throw temper tantrums (like a child) - I have yet to see one temper tantrum here
*can't argue the issues

I'm sorry...but those are all insults IMHO. A debate is a debate, and if you want to pick apart people's debates, by all mean do so...but don't claim that we can't discuss the topic merely because you disagree and then acuse of us throwing "temper tantrums." You talk about the people who disagree with you like they are ignorant children and that's simply not the case.

By saying all of that, you're being as bad as what you're complaining about - attacking the people who disagree with you rather than the issues they are debating.

[Txsweeper]

Actually you attacked a whole group of people TX - anyone who disagrees with you. Propaganda and persuasion experts would probably call it "indirect namecalling."

You've set it to invalidate the arguments of anyone who disagrees with you because, clearly if they disagree with your OPINION they:

*feel the need to attack not debate - I've seen a lot of debating going on on both sides, and very little attacking
*our beliefs are fueled by anger
*we throw temper tantrums (like a child) - I have yet to see one temper tantrum here
*can't argue the issues

I'm sorry...but those are all insults IMHO. A debate is a debate, and if you want to pick apart people's debates, by all mean do so...but don't claim that we can't discuss the topic merely because you disagree and then acuse of us throwing "temper tantrums." You talk about the people who disagree with you like they are ignorant children and that's simply not the case.

By saying all of that, you're being as bad as what you're complaining about - attacking the people who disagree with you rather than the issues they are debating.

Wow, you take things real personal, don't you? You have to read the original post that I was answering. The question was: I have read every post on both the Bush and Kerry threads and find that the Bush haters are much more vindictive and vitriolic in their posts. Not too many posts from Bush supporters, either on the Bush thread in support of Bush or on the Kerry thread, downing Kerry.
]
I simply said that "Some People" (not all people, not all liberals, not all OlS members) feel the need to attack rather than debate. Than I went on to explain that those same "Some People" are fueled with anger and name-calling.

Now, again, I did not call anyone a name..... It wasn't meant to be personal and I'm sorry if you feel offended.

Geesh------

[Veuve-Cliquot]

Actually you attacked a whole group of people TX - anyone who disagrees with you. Propaganda and persuasion experts would probably call it "indirect namecalling."

You've set it to invalidate the arguments of anyone who disagrees with you because, clearly if they disagree with your OPINION they:

*feel the need to attack not debate - I've seen a lot of debating going on on both sides, and very little attacking
*our beliefs are fueled by anger
*we throw temper tantrums (like a child) - I have yet to see one temper tantrum here
*can't argue the issues

I'm sorry...but those are all insults IMHO. A debate is a debate, and if you want to pick apart people's debates, by all mean do so...but don't claim that we can't discuss the topic merely because you disagree and then acuse of us throwing "temper tantrums." You talk about the people who disagree with you like they are ignorant children and that's simply not the case.

By saying all of that, you're being as bad as what you're complaining about - attacking the people who disagree with you rather than the issues they are debating.

I couldn't have put this better myself. Thanks, Kym.

[Kym]

I simply said that "Some People" (not all people, not all liberals, not all OlS members) feel the need to attack rather than debate. Than I went on to explain that those same "Some People" are fueled with anger and name-calling.

LMAO TX...you should go to work for the Bush propaganda machine. :rolleyes:

[Txsweeper]

LMAO TX...you should go to work for the Bush propaganda machine. :rolleyes:


:laugh: :laugh: Actually that was cute!

But I really had to laugh at my own post after reading it, I did sound like another president who didn't inhale, didn't have sexual relations with that woman, etc.....

You got me, I sounded wishy-washy. My apologies!

[Kym]

Ha ha ha...yeah...sexual relations. Or Donald Rumsfeld in that recent interview where he got blindsided with a lie on CNN. Ha ha. I mean...I said...um...well, back when...um...I...some people...

He he he.

It's all good.

Love the person even if you disagree with their opinions :)
:hugs:

[pattyepye]

:grouphug: Yeah!!!

[Txsweeper]

:grouphug: Yeah!!!


Please!!! You're suffocating me!

[pechuna]

A very interesting article:

http://www.kingpublishing.com/fc/white_house/story2.htm

[pechuna]

A very interesting article from a White House correspondent:

http://www.kingpublishing.com/fc/white_house/story2.htm

[Txsweeper]

Gosh and some Liberals are mad because GW has money!!! Not hardly, makes the Bushes look like paupers!

[suelee000]

Okay suelee00o:
#1. What the Hell is wrong with money? Are you so poor that you despise those of privilege? Prove to me that "Daddy's money" bought him the race and I'll give it to you, otherwise stop being a poor loser, my God, it's been four years now, get over it!

#2. Good for you, I am for putting prayer back into our schools so that our children are raised with morals since obviously we've been doing a pretty sh**y job without it.

#3. So are a million other Americans, what's your point? Did President Bush tell you to sit down and be quiet?

#4 Then you're not a member of a party fighting a Holy War. That's good to hear, neither are any of us.

#5 I am not a judge, nor am I this jury. I try not to place blame until I hear the whole story.

#6. I am Pro-choice also, isn't it great to be an American!

#7. I also think that what's gone on between consenting adults in none of my business.

#8. I know people who are starving and on unemployment and would love just to make regular pay. It's life, get over it.

#9. I don't think LA should be polluted, let's work together to find answers for our growing nation and the population.

#10. Huge Surplus?????? Are you dreaming? Where did you hear that?

#11. And I think that the world is an ever evolving mass that has room for both.

#12. Hmmmm, whose missing?

#13. Over the Hill Warriors? Great adjectives!

#14. And whose fault was that? Don't tell me, I know, Bush!

There, do you feel better. That doesn't make me any different than you, I'm still me and you're still you. I don't agree with the way you see somethings and Lord knows, you don't agree with anything the was I see it, so we'll walk, hand in hand together and maybe someday we'll all live in PEACE. Until then.......we're here.

#1 GWB and his daddy's friends bought the last election.

#2 Whose prayer gets put into public schools. The reason that there are private Catholic schools in this country is that the protestants won the fight about prayer in the early days. So are we going to have protestant prayer, catholic prayer, buddhist, satanist.

#3 Who outed an undercover CIA agent in revenge for her husband exercising his freedom of speech? Bush appointees. Has Bush done anything about it? No
Who has smeared Richard Clarke and Paul O'Neill for daring to suggest that Bush wasn't the fearless war president his administration says he is.

#4 Bush uses his religious beliefs to stomp on the civil rights of those who do not worship his God or follow his conservative agenda. I.E. Gay Marriage

#5 Outing an undercover CIA agent is a crime. The White House should treat it as such. The President should order all of his employees to cooperate.

#6 Bush isn't Pro-choice. He thinks that federal government should be able stick its hands up a woman's privates and to decide on what medical treatment she has.

#7 See Bush on gay marriage.

#8 What's wrong with overtime pay? As a salaried person, I'm not eligible for OT, but there are alot of people who are. Why should they suffer so that Bush can cross one more promise off his list. Those who paid to get him elected expect him to deliver. This is a big one.

#9 While we work to clean up LA, shouldn't we make sure that Yellowstone is clean? The new "cleaner" snowmobiles that the Bush administration said would solve the problem pollute worse than the old ones. The Bushies still say that the new snowmobile plan will go forward.

#10 In Jan 2001, the Congressional Budget Office projected a $5.6 trillion in federal budget surpluses (fiscal years 2002 to 2011). Today Bush has a budget with a deficit of 521 billion up from almost 400 billion for last year.

#11 When science research is dictated by ideology, people die. Political considerations, not science, decided the mercury issue. Mercury is a deadly poison.

#12 Jose Padilla has spent 2 years without access to a lawyer. He was arrested in the US and has disappeared into a black hole. He hasn't been charged and the US is saying that seeing a lawyer will hinder his interrogation. Two years is an awful long time for someone to be interrogated. Is he guilty, I don't know. On #5 above you mentioned judge and jury. As an American, he has a right to both.

#13 Typo. I meant over the hill cold warriors. They were too interested in past wars and past enemies. Condi Rice admits that she's a Europeanist. Her global view was Europe and Russia, and state sponsored terrorism. The only state that they worried about was Iraq.

#14 The ERIC database is operated by the Dept of Education. Who appointed the Secretary of Education?

[Txsweeper]

Just because I don't believe in everything Bush believes in, doesn't mean I'd vote for someone else. How blind is that?

So if Kerry wins, do we get to start saying that Kerry bought the election? Oh boy!!


And I'm sorry, I didn't know gay marriage was legal before Bush got into office. You act like he stopped it from happening.

I just had my yearly check-up and I didn't see one Federal official in that exam room. Maybe I'm wrong though, that guy in the corner in the dark glasses and black hat was looking a little embarrassed!

Extremes, extremes, extremes! If you believe that John Kerry will make your world a lovelier place to live in, more power to you! I'll just sit back and watch. (Should it happen, I'm not worried yet)

[yadgirl]

I don't think that I believe in MOST of what Bush believes in. From the very beginning, I thought he was a squirrelly critter, and he's yet to prove me wrong.

I'm not a Kerry fan either, but after seeing this country go downhill for 4 years, I'm ready for someone else to take the cockpit.

yad

[Txsweeper]

I don't think that I believe in MOST of what Bush believes in. From the very beginning, I thought he was a squirrelly critter, and he's yet to prove me wrong.

I'm not a Kerry fan either, but after seeing this country go downhill for 4 years, I'm ready for someone else to take the cockpit.

yad


Well said Yad! Just because one is a Republican or a Democrat, doesn't mean they approve of everything the party does. I believe in what the Republican party stands for, which hurts many people sometimes since the tax issues usually only help the richest or the poorest and does little good for the middle class. I'm middle class, by the way.

I actually thought the Democratic party would fair better with Edwards, in my opinion.

[kellerma]

GEESH!!!
I'm sorry I got everyone jumping on you Txsweeper, but thanks for your response to my post!

Is not John Kerry a member of a fairly wealthy family(Forbes) who own some islands off the east coast? And he's married to a Heinz?

Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

K

P.S. I agree with your most recent post and I am also very middle class.

[Txsweeper]

GEESH!!!
I'm sorry I got everyone jumping on you Txsweeper, but thanks for your response to my post!

Is not John Kerry a member of a fairly wealthy family(Forbes) who own some islands off the east coast? And he's married to a Heinz?

Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

K

P.S. I agree with your most recent post and I am also very middle class.

Oh, I'm use to it. There are few Bush supporters reporting on these threads, lots of Democraps, though. Oops, typo! Sorry. :laugh: :laugh: Just needed to do a little name calling to make myself feel better before bedtime tonight!!

[kathiejo13]

And he's married to a Heinz?
His wife is the widow of one the Heinz. He only had 1/4 intrest and she doesnt have anything to do with the company money wise. She has done alot of work thru the foundation. Id much rather have an intelligant woman as first lady than that stepford wife we have now. Talk about dowdy. As for bushie what happened to the no child left behind?? The states are almost bankrupt and funding for the schools is down. How about this lovely economy?? Oh yes now they claim all thoses new jobs last month, but what they are NOT telling is they are all part time with absolutely NO benifits. Cant raise a family that way. Also he wants to get rid of OT, alot of people, my family included need it to survive. Dont even get me started on the innocent lives that have been and are being shed over in Iraq. I truthfully think they need to send bush and his 2 daughters to the front lines. The poor Iraqis first they have a tirant like Sadam then bush playing his war games and occupying them. Seriously daddy was rich enuf didnt poor ole GW have a GI Joe doll growing up?? I am old enuf to remember the Vietnam war and this is beginning to resemble that tremendously. The only reason he invaded them was he had to be an avenger. He tried to kill his daddy. Oh yeah while Im at it, sadam and Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11. the majority of the terrorists were saudi's. There wasnt any al queda in Iraq when sadam was there, but now they are rampant. All this administration has done and done consistantly is lie, lie and more lies. I knew as far back as Jan 2001 what party I was voting for, the same one I voted for that actually did win, but we wont get into that.....Kathie

[MrDave]

Kerry waffles on the issues more than Aunt Jemima.

:laugh:

I prefer a waffler over the terrible "decisive" president we have now.

[jenninshelby]

Oh, I'm use to it. There are few Bush supporters reporting on these threads, lots of Democraps, though. Oops, typo! Sorry. :laugh: :laugh: Just needed to do a little name calling to make myself feel better before bedtime tonight!!


So is it ok for me to start calling Repubs. 'Repukes' now?? lol...... :)

[Txsweeper]

So is it ok for me to start calling Repubs. 'Repukes' now?? lol...... :)


I won't object! Hell, one friend refers to them as publicans, he doesn't think the "re" belongs any longer.

[pechuna]

It is ridiculous for us to argue on these boards as no one's opinion will change. Venting your spleen to a wall would accomplish as much. Since I am unknown to those on this board, you don't know my favorite pastime: bringing up a topic at a party to two people I know are on opposite sides and then causing an argument while I walk away. This board is the same.

However, I am already sick of both sides of this political race. Voting is over half a year away. It's baseball and golf season. Catch a baseball game this weekend and go Tiger!

Peace

:halo:

[Kym]

How about "republicants" he he.

[DrJohn]

I won't object! Hell, one friend refers to them as publicans, he doesn't think the "re" belongs any longer.


Thanks for remembering! :)

[Txsweeper]

You're welcome friend!!


Okay guys, do we really want four more years????????

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/ic/2004/3/31/115833.shtml

I would think Kerry would make better decisions than this one. Just my opinion, but really.......

[pechuna]

Poor thinking by Kerry:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=12954

[Txsweeper]

Not surprising since his wife is Teresa Heinz Kerry:

Kerry’s wife, Teresa Heinz Kerry, in particular, has supported such groups as the Tides Foundation, which has lent backing to groups such as Council for American Islamic Relations and the National Lawyers Guild, both of which have backed jihadists opposed to both America and Israel.

To be sure, it seems likely that a wealthy heiress like Heinz Kerry is simply too busy to know where her money goes. We also can not be sure that the couple shares all their same ideas; that would certainly not be a news flash. But her support for such groups does suggest, at the very least, a broader shift in Democratic attitudes toward the war on terror.

http://www.jewishjournal.com/home/preview.php?id=12011

[pattyepye]

Not surprising since his wife is Teresa Heinz Kerry:



http://www.jewishjournal.com/home/preview.php?id=12011

She only had nice things to say about you. Happy Easter Ms., no Mrs Txsweeper.

[pechuna]

Turn your speakers on and go through the rounds:


http://www.gop.com/kerryvskerry/

[yadgirl]

Paid for by the Republican National Committee.

[Tametaz]

http://www.airamericaradio.com/bin/blogExcerpts.cfm?blogId=1&prg=3

There are links through out this article on the original site. This is about 1/3 of the way down the page. This ties back to the link pechuna listed from the GOP.


HANNITY'S LIES ABOUT KERRY, DEBUNKED

About a week ago on Hannity & Colmes, Sean Hannity spewed a litany of lies about John Kerry being a flip-flopper and tax raiser, lies that came directly from the Bush campaign. Oddly, Alan Colmes did not respond. So we will. Hannity said:

Here’s a guy that supported gay marriage, now against it. Here’s a guy that by my count has had six separate different unique positions on the war on Iraq. Here’s a guy that voted for the $87 billion to fund the war before he voted against it. Here’s a guy that was for the Patriot Act. Now against it. No Child Left Behind, for it, now against it. Here’s a guy that supported -- was against the death penalty for terrorists who kill Americans. Now he’s for it. The only thing he seems consistent on is that, throughout the 19 years he was in the Senate, he voted to raise taxes consistently 350 times. What does that tell us about a man that has no core values or principles?

Let’s take these one at a time.

Here’s a guy that supported gay marriage, now against it.

This is a lie. Kerry’s position has always been consistent on this. I disagree with him, but Kerry has always been against gay marriage. He is for civil unions. What Hannity is doing here is taking Kerry’s vote against the 1996 Defense of Marriage Act and deliberately misrepresenting it as a declaration in favor of gay marriage. But let me read you what Kerry said on the floor of the Senate about that vote.

“I will vote against this bill, though I am not for same-sex marriage, because I believe that this debate is fundamentally ugly, and it is fundamentally political, and it is fundamentally flawed….the results of this bill will not be to preserve anything, but will serve to attack a group of people out of various motives and rationales, and certainly out of a lack of understanding and a lack of tolerance, and will only serve the purposes of the political season.”

And on that, I totally agree with him. So, for the record: Kerry has been totally consistent on this. He has never flip-flopped. Sean Hannity is lying, and he knows it.

Next.

Here’s a guy that by my count has had six separate different unique positions on the war on Iraq.

Okay. This is just stupid. Kerry’s position on Iraq has been totally consistent. Yes, he voted to authorize the president to use force against Iraq. But voted for that in order for Bush to go to the UN and get the inspectors back into Iraq, which was a genuine triumph. But, the president acted in bad faith. Here is what Kerry said about it on Face the Nation on September 14, 2003:

“The president promised he would go to war as a matter of last resort. He didn’t. The president promised he would build a coalition and work through the United Nations. He didn’t. We’re paying the price for the reckless way in which this president approached this. It’s a failure of diplomacy, and today it’s a failure of leadership.”

Kerry was entirely consistent, and not only that, he was right.

Next.

Here’s a guy that voted for the $87 billion to fund the war before he voted against it.

This is correct, but it’s not a flip-flop. Kerry voted for an amendment to the Iraqi appropriations bill that would have paid for the $87 billion by taking it out of the tax cut for the extremely rich. That amendment lost, 57-42, because Bush insisted that the $87 billion be added to the deficit. As we discussed with Paul Krugman last week, never in the history of this country have we had tax cuts while we were at war. Not only that, but Paul Krugman told me that he has yet to find any civilization in the history of this planet that ever had a tax cut during a war.

After the amendment went down, Kerry did vote against the final $87 billion supplemental appropriation, as a protest against the way Bush got us into the war and is conducting it. But he knew that the troops would have the support, because the bill passed 87 to 12.

You can support our troops, and still protest the president. If you can’t hold those two ideas in your head, you won’t enjoy my show, and I suggest you switch over to Rush right now.

Next.
Here’s a guy that was for the Patriot Act. Now against it.

Well, here’s what Kerry said:

“I voted for the Patriot Act right after September 11th – convinced that – with a sunset clause – it was the right decision to make. It clearly wasn’t a perfect bill – and it had a number of flaws – but this wasn’t the time to haggle. It was the time to act.

"But George Bush and John Ashcroft abused the spirit of national action after the terrorist attacks. They have used the Patriot Act in ways that were never intended and for reasons that have nothing to do with terrorism. That’s why, as President, I will propose new anti-terrorism laws that advance the War on Terror while ending the assault on our basic rights.”
In other words, he voted for the Patriot Act after 9/11, although he objected to parts of it. Bush has abused it in ways that were never intended by Congress when it was passed. If you can’t hold that in your head, you will love Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity.

No Child Left Behind, for it, now against it.

This is an easy one. On this one, like all the others, Kerry’s position is consistent, and principled, and Hannity’s is dishonest. Kerry voted for the bill, which the president promised to fund. The president didn’t fund it, which created unfunded mandates on states and school districts across this country. As a result, classroom sizes are getting bigger, after-school programs are being dropped, teachers are being fired, and education is getting worse. Everyone in education across this country will tell you that. No Child Left Behind is the most ironically named piece of legislation since the 1942 Japanese Family Leave Act.

Next.

Here’s a guy that supported -- was against the death penalty for terrorists who kill Americans. Now he’s for it.

Actually, Sean’s right on this one. Kerry was against the death penalty before 9/11. And after 9/11, he now supports the death penalty for terrorists. Now, Bush—before 9/11, wanted to invade Iraq. And after it, wanted to invade Iraq. So maybe he was more consistent. Kerry was affected viscerally by 9/11. I’m not sure I’d call that a flip-flop.

Next.

The only thing he seems consistent on is that, throughout the 19 years he was in the Senate, he voted to raise taxes consistently 350 times.

This is a disgraceful lie. It is a distortion of a phony statistic put out by the Bush campaign. The Bush campaign lists 350 of Kerry’s votes for, quote, “higher taxes.” Almost all of these are votes Kerry cast to leave taxes unchanged, such as a 1987 vote against a repeal of the “windfall profit” tax on oil. Taxes would have remained the same if his side had prevailed. In other words, this was a vote against an irresponsible tax cut for the rich.

Let me make a side note. We need to pay for the government. Someone’s got to pay for it. And if you cut taxes for the rich, the burden gets shifted to everyone else, or their children.

Bush’s list even includes votes that Kerry cast in favor of alternative Democratic tax cuts. On Bush’s list, there’s only one actual tax increase that Kerry voted for, which incidentally is counted twice. It’s his vote for Clinton’s 1993 Deficit Reduction Act, which raised taxes on the top 1% and cut taxes on people at the bottom, and was followed by eight years of unprecedented growth.

What does that tell us about a man that has no core values or principles?

The man who has no core values or principles here is a man named Sean Hannity. And you know who came up with all these lies? The campaign of a man named George W. Bush.

Look. The reason I took the time to go over all of this is you’re going to hear this garbage repeated over, and over, and over again from now until November. And we are not going to let them do it. We are not going to let them do to John Kerry what they did to Al Gore.

Kerry is not a flip-flopper. But Bush is a liar. And his shills in the media, like Sean Hannity and Bill O’Reilly and Rush Limbaugh—they’re liars too.

[Tametaz]

http://www.factcheck.org./

This website debunks the spin politicians on both sides of the line try and get past all of us.

[susieand]

Kerry's trying to be cool with the college students, speaking at UNH w/ Guster today. Doesn't fool me for a second!! I hope other college students aren't stupid enough to think just bc he got Guster to play a show before he spoke, he'll be a good president.

[MrDave]

Kerry's trying to be cool with the college students, speaking at UNH w/ Guster today. Doesn't fool me for a second!! I hope other college students aren't stupid enough to think just bc he got Guster to play a show before he spoke, he'll be a good president.

I only need one reason to vote for Kerry ---> Bush!

[DrJohn]

Kerry's trying to be cool with the college students, speaking at UNH w/ Guster today. Doesn't fool me for a second!! I hope other college students aren't stupid enough to think just bc he got Guster to play a show before he spoke, he'll be a good president.

I just hope that our college students are smart enough to realize that they are the ones that bushie will send to Iraq to die.I also hope that they are smart enough to realize that fighting iraq has NOTHING to do with the freedoms that we enjoy as Americans.I also hope that they are smart enough to realize that a great majority of them will be un-employed because of the state of our economy and the lack of response by the current administration, in coming up with a viable plan to fix it.

Bushie is wasting American lives and dollars fighting a war that no one wants instead of using those same resources to fix what's wrong here in America.Kerry is not perfect but at least he's not ignoring us here in the United States. I hope the college kids are smart enough to register to vote and to vote bushie out of office!

[iggy1I]

Kerry's trying to be cool with the college students, speaking at UNH w/ Guster today. Doesn't fool me for a second!! I hope other college students aren't stupid enough to think just bc he got Guster to play a show before he spoke, he'll be a good president.
Any reasons on why he wouldn't make a good president?

[cowleyh]

mmmmm, waffles.

[iggy1I]

Which translates to, "John Kerry is a big old poopie head" in dubya speak. :sleep: Speaking of dubya speak---------------
Wow, did dubya make this nation proud last night or what?
Q. To move to the 9/11 commission, you yourself have acknowledged that Osama bin Laden was not a central focus of the administration in the months before Sept. 11. "I was not on point," you told the journalist Bob Woodward. "I didn't feel that sense of urgency." Two and a half years later, do you feel any sense of personal responsibility for Sept. 11?

A. Let me put that quote to Woodward in context. He had asked me if I was, something about killing bin Laden. That's what the question was. And I said compared to how I felt at the time after the attack I didn't have that — and I also went on to say my blood wasn't boiling, I think is what the quote said. I didn't see, I mean I didn't have that great sense of outrage that I felt on Sept. 11. I was, on that day I was angry and sad. Angry that Al Qaeda had, at the time thought Al Qaeda, found out shortly thereafter it was Al Qaeda, had unleashed this attack. Sad for those who lost their life.

Your question, do I feel?

Q. Do you feel a sense of personal responsibility for Sept. 11?

A. I feel incredibly grieved when I meet with family members. And I do quite frequently. I grieve for, you know, the incredible loss of life that they feel, the emptiness they feel.

and...

Q. Will it have been worth it, even if you lose your job because of it?

A. I don't plan on losing my job. I plan on telling the American people that I've got a plan to win the war on terror. And I believe they'll stay with me. They understand the stakes. Look, nobody likes to see dead people on their television screens. I don't. It's a tough time for the American people to see that. It's gut-wrenching. :worry:

[MidnightMoon]

Your question, do I feel?

Q. Do you feel a sense of personal responsibility for Sept. 11?

A. I feel incredibly grieved when I meet with family members. And I do quite frequently. I grieve for, you know, the incredible loss of life that they feel, the emptiness they feel.[/I]

and...

Q. Will it have been worth it, even if you lose your job because of it?

A. I don't plan on losing my job. I plan on telling the American people that I've got a plan to win the war on terror. And I believe they'll stay with me. They understand the stakes. Look, nobody likes to see dead people on their television screens. I don't. It's a tough time for the American people to see that. It's gut-wrenching. :worry:


If something was to happen to my husband over there and Bush came to see me, I would kick his a**. I don't want him console me when he was the reason my husband died.

Also if he has a plan to win the war on terror, why hasn't he used it yet?

My husband said there wasn't terrorists in Iraq until the Soldiers got there.

[susieand]

If something was to happen to my husband over there and Bush came to see me, I would kick his a**. I don't want him console me when he was the reason my husband died.

OMG people really still think 9/11 was Bush's fault?? God, I completely understand if you don't like the man but come on, he was not responsible for 9/11.

[DrJohn]

www.republicansforkerry.org

[MidnightMoon]

If something was to happen to my husband over there and Bush came to see me, I would kick his a**. I don't want him console me when he was the reason my husband died.

OMG people really still think 9/11 was Bush's fault?? God, I completely understand if you don't like the man but come on, he was not responsible for 9/11.

It's how I feel. Get over it.

[MrDave]

George Carlin likes to see dead people on his screen.

[DrJohn]

George Carlin likes to see dead people on his screen.

He also says that the United Stated gets pi$$ed of when other countries do what we perceive to be our job:bombing the s*#t out of brown people.

I like Carlin,but he's definately not for everyone!

[Txsweeper]

He also says that the United Stated gets pi$$ed of when other countries do what we perceive to be our job:bombing the s*#t out of brown people.

I like Carlin,but he's definately not for everyone!


He's the last person I would listen to for political information! He was great in the 70's, loved his take on cats and dogs and frogs with no legs, he needs to revive that act and keep his mouth shut on world affairs. IMHO

[DrJohn]

He's the last person I would listen to for political information! He was great in the 70's, loved his take on cats and dogs and frogs with no legs, he needs to revive that act and keep his mouth shut on world affairs. IMHO


WOW!I agree with you 100%!!! :)

[Txsweeper]

WOW!I agree with you 100%!!! :)


Wow, that didn't even hurt! I'm off to celebrate now with a cold cola and a cig. :laugh:

[jenninshelby]

This may have already been posted-but I did not see it. Personally I thought it was kinda funny. Maybe I am a sick awful person. :) Rummy is such a Dummy. I really do think they were just using slang. I doubt they really meant they want someone to kill him. lol.


Campaign 2004 is getting nasty in Florida. The Kerry Camp Dems
managed to place a newspaper ad begging for money and calling for the
infliction of bodily harm to Donald Rumsfeld, stating to "pull the
trigger." Ad sponsors maintain it is a metaphor for voicing discontent.
Great. . . instead of Florida voters being confused by ballots, they're
going to be confused at who's actually running. Drudge Report, complete
with actual ad placed:

http://drudgereport.com/rc7r.htm

[Txsweeper]

Okay, I didn't see this already discussed and I find it worth the discussion. I "crave" the knowledge of my fine Liberal friends here.

Kerry wants to pay for your college education (well not him exactly, but he wants the taxpayers to pay for it) but it has a catch to it, ONLY if you agree to dedicate the first two years after college to public assistance.

Okay, good call here sometimes, and I mean only sometimes. Doctor's? Yep, they will probably receive one of the highest educations available and it would be good to see some more free and low cost clinics to help our needy. Lawyers? Yep, they rank right up there with the doctor's and we all know that we have rights to free representation when needed.

But what about Teachers? Nope, they can barely feed their families on their salaries now. Journalists? Please......Marketing? Well heck, I guess they could volunteer to market his campaign, it couldn't hurt any.

I'm just not seeing what he is seeing here. Granted, he also wants to reform the Student Loan programs, that might not be a bad idea, although it seems to work pretty good as is, his thought is to let banks "bid" to get the business, what happened to "share the wealth"? Hmmm.

Anyway, your comments and insights would be greatly appreciated.

[suelee000]

Okay, I didn't see this already discussed and I find it worth the discussion. I "crave" the knowledge of my fine Liberal friends here.

Kerry wants to pay for your college education (well not him exactly, but he wants the taxpayers to pay for it) but it has a catch to it, ONLY if you agree to dedicate the first two years after college to public assistance.

Okay, good call here sometimes, and I mean only sometimes. Doctor's? Yep, they will probably receive one of the highest educations available and it would be good to see some more free and low cost clinics to help our needy. Lawyers? Yep, they rank right up there with the doctor's and we all know that we have rights to free representation when needed.

But what about Teachers? Nope, they can barely feed their families on their salaries now. Journalists? Please......Marketing? Well heck, I guess they could volunteer to market his campaign, it couldn't hurt any.

I'm just not seeing what he is seeing here. Granted, he also wants to reform the Student Loan programs, that might not be a bad idea, although it seems to work pretty good as is, his thought is to let banks "bid" to get the business, what happened to "share the wealth"? Hmmm.

Anyway, your comments and insights would be greatly appreciated.

There are lots of ways to do this. 40 years ago, my sister got a loan to finish college. She didn't have to pay it back if she became a teacher. Student teaching cured her of that idea, so she had to pay the loan back. It could be VISTA (Volunteers in Service to America or Peace Corps type work). A teacher could teach at in underserved, rural or urban area.

Other professions could work for a non-profit organization. Marketing and PR people ARE NEEDED at non-profits all the time. Fundraising requires marketing and PR skills. Running a non-profit requires business skills.

Lawyers are always needed at Legal Aid (unless the Congress and the White House have completely killed it off) or as a prosecutor, public defender. Or yes doing Pro Bono work.

If you have 4 years to consider what type of service you will do, you can think of something.

[dandylin]

I'm sure public service definitions will be varied and not burdensome. What a cool program. I think it should be free anyway.

I also think that we should be tracking children more closely and helping them make good decisions, just because a person's parent can afford to pay for a college education, does not mean the child is college material.

[Txsweeper]

Interesting posts, but here's the big picture.

DS attended a public 4 year university. His tuition for approx. $1500.00 per semester, not too shabby. So Kerry wants the tax payers to pick up that amount in exchange for community service.

Great! My DS's housing, per semester was $2200.00, his meal ticket was included in that figure. His books averaged about $350 per semester and then you have to add in housing contract fee of $50, nonrefundable deposits of $100, parking fees $25..and on and on and on.

Guess the plan wouldn't help out too much there, in fact, if the schools are not making enough off their tuitions they just increase their fees in other areas, including athletics and social based groups.

And I want to add another note here: I saw a program a while back about grants offered to doctor's to get them through medical school. The terms of the grants were such that on completion the doctor's had to volunteer at free clinics, etc. I was shocked by the arrogance of some of those people who no longer felt that they should be obligated to follow through on their part of the bargin.

[MrDave]

I wonder about the practicality of that plan as well, now that you mention it.

However, I do think the US needs to stress education as much as possible in order to remain economically viable over the long term, and for us Americans as a whole to be able to continue to increase our living standards. The fact of the matter is that our economy is turning more and more into a service economy, and our ability to compete world wide in every sector relies upon technological innovation, business innovation and vision. As other countries catch up to us and offer equal services or products at lower prices we will just end up losing, and the American way of life will be dramatically different in our lifetimes.

The rising costs of higher eduction are out of control, and are a significant disincentive for Americans wanting to get ahead. I just spent 30 K on two Master's Degrees, and when I recently lost my job I found I could compete for new positions, but my salary handn't increased much in my new job.

We need to stay competative in the international markets and this relies on higher education. I am very happy to see Kerry addressing this issue head on with a somewhat innovative idea, and hope that he will come through once he takes office.

I am sure there is enough wiggle room in his plan to make it workabe, unlike the Leave No Child Behind effort which has failed miserably.

There is nowhere to go but up, in my opinion.

Isn't it interesting how educational costs/tuition always go up during hard economic times? Crap timing, because that is when people need to upgrade their skills to stay in the rat race.

[Txsweeper]

I am very happy to see Kerry addressing this issue head on with a somewhat innovative idea, and hope that he will come through once he takes office.

I'm sorry, I had to laugh here, it's not all that innovative Dave. Just ask the military on the GI bill and as I pointed out, the grants currently available (or were, don't know if they still are or not) that are not properly paid back to the community.

I, though, am glad that he is addressing the need to help with the rising costs of education. But let's face it, the tuition isn't what kills, it's the living expenses of the people trying to get an education! You kid or yourself for that matter, would be hard pressed to support themselves with a job and go to school. It's not an easy task. I know there are those that do it, but it's extremely hard.

I'd like to see a "package". I'd like housing and meals to be part of a student's tuition, regulated by the state. I'd like these dang book publishers to realize that a kid doesn't have $150 for one book! Why can I go to booksmart, down the street and buy a book for $30.00, but I have to buy a text book for three times that amount. It's totaly out of control.

Tuition really shouldn't be the concern of parents/students. Tuition is regulated in public colleges/universities, it's everything else that makes getting an education totaly ridiculous!!

[MrDave]

I'm sorry, I had to laugh here, it's not all that innovative Dave. Just ask the military on the GI bill and as I pointed out, the grants currently available (or were, don't know if they still are or not) that are not properly paid back to the community.

I, though, am glad that he is addressing the need to help with the rising costs of education. But let's face it, the tuition isn't what kills, it's the living expenses of the people trying to get an education! You kid or yourself for that matter, would be hard pressed to support themselves with a job and go to school. It's not an easy task. I know there are those that do it, but it's extremely hard.

I'd like to see a "package". I'd like housing and meals to be part of a student's tuition, regulated by the state. I'd like these dang book publishers to realize that a kid doesn't have $150 for one book! Why can I go to booksmart, down the street and buy a book for $30.00, but I have to buy a text book for three times that amount. It's totaly out of control.

Tuition really shouldn't be the concern of parents/students. Tuition is regulated in public colleges/universities, it's everything else that makes getting an education totaly ridiculous!!

Oh, don't laugh. I did say "somewhat" innovative and it would be great to offer some help to the poorer folk without filling up the millitary with them and asking them to risk their lives or take lives simply because of their economic status (another unfair fact of life). Let me think, in my 10 years in higher education I don't recall anyone offering to give me a hand.

Like I said, I just forked up 30K for tuition costs to get my MBA and MS in the evenings while working during the days. In fact, I have worked through most of my college days so I am biased when it comes to whining about working and going to school - not much sympathy.

I can see for a single mother that it would be next to impossible, however, so there are always exceptions.

And I totally agree with your last points. A book for $150 makes me puke every time I have to fork over the money. There are plenty of good books available on Amazon that would be quite sufficient as teaching texts if the colleges would break out of this oppresive system. Dorms should be offered at reasonable rates, and efforts to provide some breaks for work on campus or in the community would be cool too.

[pechuna]

What's good for the gander is good for the gosse, so to speak:


http://www.drudgereport.com/rc8r.htm

[SweepingBeauty]

Maybe she thought she would have to release one for each of the 57 varieties. :jump:

[c1986goose]

This will open your eyes.



John Kerry on Defense-

He voted to kill the Bradley Fighting Vehicle
He voted to kill the M-1 Abrams Tank
He voted to kill every Aircraft carrier laid down from 1988
He voted to kill the Aegis anti aircraft system
He voted to Kill the F-15 strike eagle
He voted to Kill the Block 60 F-16
He voted to Kill the P-3 Orion upgrade
He voted to Kill the B-1
He voted to Kill the B-2
He voted to Kill the Patriot anti Missile system
He voted to Kill the FA-18
He voted to Kill the B-2
He voted to Kill the F117
In short, he voted to kill every military appropriation for the development and deployment of every weapons systems since 1988 to include the battle armor for our troops. With Kerry as president our military will be made up of naked men running around with sticks and clubs. He also voted to kill all anti terrorism activities of every agency of the U.S. Government and to cut the funding of the FBI by 60%, to cut the funding for the CIA by 80%, and cut the funding for the NSA by 80%. But then he voted to increase OUR funding for U.N operations by 800%!!! Is THIS a President YOU want?



I'm sure that our Vietnam "hero" is a one man military, along with his own "intelligence", the U.N., and Jane Fonda, our Country and the World will be saved by "Kerry the Magnificent" !!!

[pattyepye]

Well glad he showed up for work to vote for something, at least he wasn't on vacation at the ranch.

[advantage2000]

This will open your eyes.

John Kerry on Defense-

He voted to kill the Bradley Fighting Vehicle
But then he voted to increase OUR funding for U.N operations by 800%!!! Is THIS a President YOU want?



YES! Have you SEEN some of the yahoo ideas the Pentagon puts forward? They spend (and waste) BILLIONS OF DOLLARS A YEAR!! Anyone who votes AGAINST the Pentagon is aces in my book...

Specifically, on the Bradley Fighting Vehicle, that was one of the worst debacles in Pentagon history. Have you SEEN the Pentagon Wars?

[advantage2000]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4731185/

Frantically, the Army tries to armor Humvees
Soft-skinned workhorses turning into death traps

[hort1]

John Kerry's Defense Defense
Setting his voting record straight.
By Fred Kaplan

http://slate.msn.com/id/2096127

If you want the truth about this "list," read the kaplan article.
Nice tactic. The GOP has already done this with tax issues too. What a smear. Democrats and Republicans both should not stand for this type of smear.
Don't ever let facts stand in the way, c1986goose.

[NHGrits]

Ummm, just to clear something up. The humvee's were brought in to replace the old jeeps. Anybody ever seen a jeep??? The humvee was never meant to be an armoured vehicle and shouldn't have been used as such. And just out of curiousity, does anyone remember the "downsizing" they did throughtout the 90's in the military. In the army we were always questioning why they were "downsizing" the army. Seems there was some decision from the powers that be that there were "too many" soldiers. Supposedly they did the same thing right before the Korean war. Created a hollow army. Me thinks we now have the same results. Not enough soldiers. That's why the National Guard and the Reservists are being used so much. Now, who do we blame for that? Just curious.

[ignoramoose]

If you have a post about John Kerry, his wife, his dog, his mother, or ANYTHING to do with John Kerry or his campaign, it goes in here. That includes jokes, opinions, news articles, etc.

[pechuna]

So said John Kerry when his wealthy GOP Senate challenger balked at releasing tax returns in 1990, Kerry demanded that he "come clean" and made it a central campaign issue, repeatedly asking: "What is he hiding?"

Now we wonder what Kerry is hiding:



http://www.nypost.com/news/nationalnews/18947.htm

[suelee000]

It's not up to him to release tax returns for anyone else.

[MrDave]

Kerry paid about $90K in taxes. How do I know? They were released.

[pechuna]

Dave, how much did Mrs. Kerry pay?

[DrJohn]

Mrs Kerry is not running for office and she is NOT under any obligation to turn her money over to a goverment agency.

[MrDave]

Dave, how much did Mrs. Kerry pay?

Who cares. She's loaded. They are all loaded and pay more in taxes than I make.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0414-04.htm

Bush's presumptive Democratic rival, John Kerry, also released his returns, which he files separately from wife Teresa Heinz Kerry, heiress to the $500 million Heinz Co. food fortune. Kerry's forms showed he paid $90,575 in taxes, or about 23 percent of his adjusted gross income of $395,338.

Bob McIntyre, director of Citizens for Tax Justice, a liberal advocacy group whose statistical analyses are respected by mainstream economists, analyzed the returns and found the tax cuts Bush backed saved him nearly $31,000 on his 2003 bill over what he would have paid if there had been no cuts.

Cheney saved $11,000, mostly because the alternative minimum tax — designed to curb tax sheltering among high-income taxpayers — took back about three-quarters of the tax-cut benefit he would have reaped, McIntyre said.

Among the cuts that were in effect in 2003 but not in effect in 2002 were further decreases in tax rates at all bracket levels, an expansion of the lowest 10 percent bracket and lower taxation of capital gains and dividends.

"What can you say? They're rich, so you'd expect them to benefit from a tax cut for the rich," McIntyre said.

[DrJohn]

Unless the laws have changed,they can put their money in a "blind" trust.

[ignoramoose]

If you have a post about John Kerry, his wife, his dog, his mother, HIS TAXES or ANYTHING to do with John Kerry or his campaign, it goes in here. That includes jokes, opinions, news articles, etc.

What is so hard to understand about this?

[DrJohn]

If you have a post about John Kerry, his wife, his dog, his mother, HIS TAXES or ANYTHING to do with John Kerry or his campaign, it goes in here. That includes jokes, opinions, news articles, etc.

What is so hard to understand about this?



So, if it's about Kerry it goes in this thread?


hehehehehe:)

[jenninshelby]

John Kerry's Plan for Iraq

Excerpt: "The administration must make the UN a full partner responsible for developing Iraq's transition to a new constitution and government...We need more troops and more people who can train Iraqi troops and assist Iraqi police...International acceptance of responsibility for stabilizing Iraq must be matched by international authority for managing the remainder of the Iraqi transition. The UN, not the United States, should be the primary civilian partner in working with Iraqi leaders to hold elections, restore government services, rebuild the economy, and re-create a sense of hope and optimism among the Iraqi people. The primary responsibility for security must remain with the U.S. military, preferably helped by NATO until we have an Iraqi security force fully prepared to take responsibility. Finally, we must level with our citizens. Increasingly, the American people are confused about our goals in Iraq, particularly why we are going it almost alone."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A6753-2004Apr12.html?nav%3Dmost_emailed

[LastLaugh]

Me thinks we now have the same results. Not enough soldiers. That's why the National Guard and the Reservists are being used so much. Now, who do we blame for that? Just curious.
I blame the president, for starting an unneccessary war.

[yadgirl]

Maybe you can see the "connection" here. This is an article about the fall of the Roman Empire.

http://killeenroos.com/1/Romefall.htm


Military Spending

Maintaining an army to defend the border of the Empire from barbarian attacks was a constant drain on the government. Military spending left few resources for other vital activities, such as providing public housing and maintaining quality roads and aqueducts. Frustrated Romans lost their desire to defend the Empire. The empire had to begin hiring soldiers recruited from the unemployed city mobs or worse from foreign counties. Such an army was not only unreliable, but very expensive. The emperors were forced to raise taxes frequently which in turn led again to increased inflation.

[Txsweeper]

In response to the "oil" postings under Bush (this concern Kerry, so I put it here)

Here are two excerts from his campaign drive on March 31st.
At a rally here, where gas prices are even higher, Kerry called for the government to suspend filling its emergency stockpile of oil, and he also vowed to use "real diplomacy" to pressure oil-exporting countries to provide more oil.


and then further down:

"The United States of America can't drill its way out of this predicament," Kerry said. "We have to invent our way out of it." Kerry said research into alternative fuels would boost the economy, create jobs and reduce American dependence on imported oil.

So....we pressure other countries (how the heck do we do that?) to give up oil and then we tell Americans wer are reducing our dependence on imported oil.

We already are trying to become less dependent on foreign oil, unless he has a "real" plan, I'm not impressed. In fact, I'm more confused then I was before I started looking into this. :worry:

http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/03/30/election.main/

[jenninshelby]

This is a Joke. Saw this link on Ghost Droppings and thought it was funny. They do kinda look alike. lol..
Lurch or John Kerry..
http://www.addamsfamily.com/

[hort1]

This is a Joke. Saw this link on Ghost Droppings and thought it was funny. They do kinda look alike. lol..
Lurch or John Kerry..
http://www.addamsfamily.com/


Hyuck hyuck, that was good! Kerry certainly has an angular mug.


They both look smarter than Bush, though.

[kathiejo13]

Anybody looks smarter than Bush, even my dogs A**!!

[cowleyh]

Anybody looks smarter than Bush, even my dogs A**!!

Well, let's all be sure we look smarter than a dog's a$$... :worry:

BTW, what does a smart person look like, anyway? Anybody know? I think they come in all shapes and sizes and colors and faces...

[hort1]

Anybody looks smarter than Bush, even my dogs A**!!

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

[hort1]

BTW, what does a smart person look like, anyway?

John Kerry.

[pechuna]

Read this:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1120981/posts

[MrDave]

Read this:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1120981/posts

I wonder why New York is voting for Kerry after 9/11.

[pechuna]

What facts will they reveal?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1120931/posts

[MrDave]

What facts will they reveal?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1120931/posts

I'm suprised to hear you care about facts.

[NHGrits]

autodafe20, you say quote "I blame the president, for starting an unneccessary war. " Sorry, bubs, there will always be war. There will always be kooks, and the downsizing of the military began long ago. Iraq as a democratic country or anything but a terrorist outlet, is a stratigic move for the future of the world, due to it's location (check out the surrounding countires) and it's size. I think of the future of my children. I'm not risking their futures or my grandchildren's on the hopes that 911 won't happen again. And I ain't into passifying the bad guy.

[pechuna]

"Just the facts, ma'am".-SGT. Joe Friday

[Txsweeper]

What facts will they reveal?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1120931/posts


When the shoe goes on the other foot, it's bound to be facing the wrong way. Kerry is just hurting himself here, if he has nothing to be ashamed of, why not just release everything.

[MrDave]

When the shoe goes on the other foot, it's bound to be facing the wrong way. Kerry is just hurting himself here, if he has nothing to be ashamed of, why not just release everything.


I would have a problem with it, but until I hear both sides of the story, I'm not passing judgement.

Actually, I think he should release them. I just don't know if I agree it is worth the same debate time as the Saudigate scandal.

The Saudis are now denying the allegation.

[hort1]

What facts will they reveal?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1120931/posts


Y'know, the most interesting part of the whole FREEP thing is not the actual post, but the member comments that follw at the bottom.

Sample:
"Al Querry is probably afraid that we will find out that a stubbed toe, a banged pinkie and a hang nail don't really qualify as 3 Purple Heart Wounds."
"Kerry got there, committed his war crimes, then left 105 days later."
"Here's my guess: he does not want the bases for his award of three Purple Hearts in a mere three and one-half months to be disclosed. My guess is that he was aware of the "three-Purple-Hearts-and-you're-out" rule and wanted to build a war hero credential in short order. His refusal to disclose these records supports a theory that his Purple Hearts were awarded for highly questionable "wounds" (of the Frank Burns variety), "wounds" for which a real hero would have spurned a Purple Heart (let alone three)."

These seem to be the rules:
If you are a democrat, and you evaded the draft (Clinton) you are not fit to be president.
If you are a republican and you evaded the draft (too many to mention) you are eminently qualified to direct the military.
If you are a republican and you chose an "alternative" to Vietnam (Bush) you are eminently qualified to direct the military.
If you are a democrat and you were wounded in combat in Vietnam (Kerry, Cleleand) you are unpatriotic/treasonous/just made the whole thing up.

I've seen several posts here about honoring and respecting veterans for their sacrifices. Just wanted to clarify that this may be applied selectively, your choice.

[Txsweeper]

Y'know, the most interesting part of the whole FREEP thing is not the actual post, but the member comments that follw at the bottom.

Sample:
"Al Querry is probably afraid that we will find out that a stubbed toe, a banged pinkie and a hang nail don't really qualify as 3 Purple Heart Wounds."
"Kerry got there, committed his war crimes, then left 105 days later."
"Here's my guess: he does not want the bases for his award of three Purple Hearts in a mere three and one-half months to be disclosed. My guess is that he was aware of the "three-Purple-Hearts-and-you're-out" rule and wanted to build a war hero credential in short order. His refusal to disclose these records supports a theory that his Purple Hearts were awarded for highly questionable "wounds" (of the Frank Burns variety), "wounds" for which a real hero would have spurned a Purple Heart (let alone three)."

These seem to be the rules:
If you are a democrat, and you evaded the draft (Clinton) you are not fit to be president.
If you are a republican and you evaded the draft (too many to mention) you are eminently qualified to direct the military.
If you are a republican and you chose an "alternative" to Vietnam (Bush) you are eminently qualified to direct the military.
If you are a democrat and you were wounded in combat in Vietnam (Kerry, Cleleand) you are unpatriotic/treasonous/just made the whole thing up.

I've seen several posts here about honoring and respecting veterans for their sacrifices. Just wanted to clarify that this may be applied selectively, your choice.


First of all, unless you just don't get it, Free Republic is...well....biased. But so are a lot of other websites. Pechuna uses their link because they do post actual articles from a wide-variety of the news media. In case you didn't already know this, Pechuna is a stout Republican.

Second of all, this is not the Freerepublics message board, their views are normally not as varied as ours and definetely not as civil.

Third of all, I doubt you will find one single person on this website that will not stand up and salute each and every veteran that they come into contact with. We may be brutal on our opinions but we are not heartless.

And....why in the world do you use the Unibomber as your avatar?

[Tametaz]

[QUOTE=Txsweeper] In case you didn't already know this, Pechuna is a stout Republican.

[QUOTE]


You are kidding right? Pechuna is a REPUBLICAN??? I would have NEVER guessed. :laugh::laugh::laugh:

[DrJohn]

[QUOTE=Txsweeper] In case you didn't already know this, Pechuna is a stout Republican.

[QUOTE]


You are kidding right? Pechuna is a REPUBLICAN??? I would have NEVER guessed. :laugh::laugh::laugh:


Gosh,and he seemed like such a nice man....:)

[ignoramoose]

In case you didn't already know this, Pechuna is a stout Republican.



Personal attacks are not allowed on this site, you know this Txsweeper!!

;);)

[DrJohn]

Personal attacks are not allowed on this site, you know this Txsweeper!!

;);)


Really!!!!Such a low blow!!!:):):):D

[pattyepye]

And....why in the world do you use the Unibomber as your avatar?

Is that the Unibomber? I thought it was the Gorton's fish guy? Talk about cute avatars, I thought MrDave's was a cute little dancing fellow, then I noticed he was boxing. I must get these glasses changed.

[Txsweeper]

Personal attacks are not allowed on this site, you know this Txsweeper!!

;);)


My deepest apologies..... :halo: :halo: :halo: :halo:

[jenninshelby]

Hyuck hyuck, that was good! Kerry certainly has an angular mug.


They both look smarter than Bush, though.


I agree. I would take Lurch over Bush Da Chimp anyday. lol. :laugh:

[hort1]

First of all, unless you just don't get it, Free Republic is...well....biased. But so are a lot of other websites. Pechuna uses their link because they do post actual articles from a wide-variety of the news media. In case you didn't already know this, Pechuna is a stout Republican.

Second of all, this is not the Freerepublics message board, their views are normally not as varied as ours and definetely not as civil.

Third of all, I doubt you will find one single person on this website that will not stand up and salute each and every veteran that they come into contact with. We may be brutal on our opinions but we are not heartless.

And....why in the world do you use the Unibomber as your avatar?


I think I understand FREEP all too well.

I'm not sure Pechuna appreciates being called stout. Maybe they are, but I don't know for sure.

I stand by the point I was trying to make. The right, in general, has used military service as a political tool. They howled "draft dodger" at Clinton and claimed he had no right to exercise the poweres of commander in chief. Gore was just a photog in Vietnam -not REAL service. The same tactic was used on Max Cleland; and now the chant is starting to grow about Kerry - no matter how it's phrased, the suggestion is the same - the service, well, it just wasn't good enough. Wounds, well, yeah he was wounded, but...but what? They weren't real wounds? Yet, when the issue of military service is brought up about many current administration members, suddenly *harrumph* why, we're all Americans here, we should be better than that.
I'm not questioning your support/appreciation for military service at all. Nor am I suggesting you personally are denigrating Kerry's record. The original posting linked to FREEP. I think it's fair game to comment on what is there, particularly when it is relevent to the article.

[suelee000]

http://apnews1.iwon.com//article/20040421/D822UAQ80.html?PG=home&SEC=news

"Amid questions about his military records, John Kerry's campaign on Tuesday provided documentation of Vietnam War injuries that included shrapnel wounds to his arms, legs and buttocks that earned him three Purple Hearts.

Kerry spokesman Michael Meehan said the campaign was in the process of compiling the rest of Kerry's naval record and began posting it on Kerry's Web site by evening. Kerry said all his military records are available to the public during an appearance Sunday on NBC's "Meet the Press."

Meehan said the Massachusetts senator and presumptive Democratic presidential nominee requested a copy of his record from the Navy last month and received roughly 150 pages last week..."

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Before any Bush supporters start picking at the Purple Hearts, I want to remind them that the majority of the Bush Administration didn't go to Vietnam and were never shot at. If Kerry's purple hearts are not heroic enough for them, how heroic and patriotic was Bush's little turn in the Texas Air National Guard serving on a congressional election campaign?

Max Cleland lost both legs and the Republicans had the nerve to say that he wasn't a patriot because he didn't blindly follow Bush's idiot policies.