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MrDave
April 30th, 2004, 7:05pm
http://www.reuters.com/newsArticle.jhtml?type=internetNews&storyID=5005731&section=news

Calif. Bars Use of Some Electronic Voting Machines
Fri Apr 30, 2004 06:01 PM ET


By Adam Tanner
SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Worried about security and possible fraud, California's top election official on Friday barred some electronic voting machines purchased for use in the 2004 presidential election and called for a criminal investigation of its manufacturer.

California Secretary of State Kevin Shelley said that he would decertify the model most widespread in the state, Ohio-based Diebold Incorporated's (DBD.N: Quote, Profile, Research) AcuVote-TSx Voting System. That machine accounts for a third of all of the state's electronic voting machines.

He also said he would ask the state's attorney general to look into Diebold over possible fraud in relation to their electronic voting machines in California. He did not mince words in describing the firm.

"They broke the law," Shelley said. "Their conduct was absolutely reprehensible. The evidence within the report is absolutely damning.... They lied."

Shelley said he nearly acted to bar all electronic voting machines, but then said it would give all but four counties including San Diego the chance to use them if they can provide a paper receipt and fulfill other conditions.

"I came pretty close to issuing that directive today," he said of an overall ban. "But I think that would be an imprudent move."

Shelley's decision, in the state that is home to Silicon Valley, could cause other sections of the country to temper or rethink their introduction to electronic voting systems.

California has already invested more than $139 million to update its voting system with electronic touch screen technology. Shelley estimated the cost of adding capabilities to print a paper trail receipt from existing voting machines outside the four excluded counties at $1 million.

Diebold, which makes automated teller machines and other products in addition to electronic voting machines, will not be able to recertify its AcuVote-TSx Voting System in the four counties that use them, Shelley said.

For the March 2004 primary election, California counties fielded 42,714 electronic voting machines, in theory allowing 42 percent of the state's voters to vote on touch-screens or on paper ballots scanned into computers.

Supporters say electronic voting will help overcome the punch-card irregularities that dogged the last presidential vote in Florida in an outcome ultimately decided by the U.S. Supreme Court.

Yet some experts fear electronic voting machines that do not have a paper trail that would facilitate a recount in the case of a disputed election.

Veuve-Cliquot
April 30th, 2004, 7:12pm
Wow, California does something right.

You know, I'm not a conspiracy nut. However, this Diebold issue is very troubling.

We just had an election that was disputed, and it took a huge toll on our country. It seems to me that in the wake of this, we would want to ensure that our voting methods maintain a form of accountability. As things stand now, we're headed for another close election. Whether the head of Diebold is going to "rig" the election is not really the issue: people know that it's possible for Diebold to do so, and the threat that these voting machines leave no actual paper trail seems to me to be asking for trouble. Diebold needs to remove themselves from the equation, in my opinion.

advantage2000
April 30th, 2004, 7:22pm
What ever happened to the good old Lever Voting Machine:

http://www.michigan.gov/images/curtainlever_lg_40281_7.jpg

We've had these in the Northeast since I watched my dad vote as a kid, and we never seem to have had a PROBLEM! :rolleyes:

iggy1I
April 30th, 2004, 7:33pm
TGIF
I read the title of this thread and thought it had to do with bars in CA using voting machines...I'll vote for a Sam Adams Cherry Wheat, please. :cheer4:

Tametaz
April 30th, 2004, 7:58pm
TGIF
I read the title of this thread and thought it had to do with bars in CA using voting machines...I'll vote for a Sam Adams Cherry Wheat, please. :cheer4:


LOL I thought the same thing!!

However, I did hear a report on the radio today that said that in Florida in a republican Primary they just had they used these machines. Turned out in one area 120 of the ballots were blank in the machine and there was no record of any of the 120 votes. Just imagine the number that would be missing if the entire state uses them and they all are faulty.