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Brent
April 18th, 2004, 6:12pm
If you haven't read the following posts first to familiarize yourself with the new OLS Premium Membership subscriptions, please do so before reading this post which is basically just another update.


Related Information:
Introducing... OLS Premium Membership Subscriptions (http://www.online-sweepstakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=122603)

OLS Premium Membership - [4/2 Update] (http://www.online-sweepstakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=123613)

OLS Premium Membership - [4/18 Update] (http://www.online-sweepstakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=127730) (this page)

OLS Premium Membership - [5/1 Update] (http://www.online-sweepstakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131016)

Paid Subscriptions (http://www.online-sweepstakes.com/forums/subscriptions.php?) - purchase a subscription and check your current subscription status

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Sorry it's taking so long guys, each of the last few days I thought would be the day I'd have everyone (past donations & snailmail payments) entered into the subscription database, but I grossly (and I mean grossly) underestimated the amount of work I had to do to get the system set-up and running, the number of past donations and snailmail payments that have been made, and the amount of time it would take me to get them all entered into the database.

The good news is I have most of the subscribtion system set-up and running (it's pretty sweet if I do say so myself) and all I have to do now is get everyone (past donations & snailmail payments) entered into the database. But it's taking me forever. Last night I even told kbsocial that I'd have it done by this morning because I didn't think it would take me all that long. HA! Not even close. It'll end up taking me 25 - 30 hours just to get everyone in the database when all is said and done.

I'm about 1/3 of the way through now. I'm done with the OLS Volunteer and Founding Member credits, all snailmail donations that were made before April, and I'm through May 18th, 2003 (working backwards) on the old PayPal donations. Once I'm done with the old PayPal donations, I've got all the recent snailmail payments to do and then I'll be done. But it's going to take me another 12 - 16 hours of work to get there. So by tomorrow (Monday) most everyone who has a subscription coming to them should have it credited to their account.

There are a handful of donations/payments that have been made without any way of knowing who made them (as long as there's a username or email address I can usually figure it out). Once I'm done, I will make an announcement, including instructions for anyone who might have been missed. I kept pretty good records so it won't take very long at all for me to verify any donations/payments that were made. But it will be much, much easier and less time consuming if everyone could hold off PMing or emailing me until after I've made my first go-around through the records. I'm not going to throw up any subscriber-only features until I'm done so nobody is going to miss out on anything.

Once you're account has been credited, you will see all the nitty-gritty details about your subscription and any related transactions on the "Paid Subscriptions" page of the UserCP (user control panel):

http://www.online-sweepstakes.com/forums/subscriptions.php?

Screenshot of what the "Paid Subscriptions" page looks like when you have a subscription (thanks to Dixiebelle31):
http://www.online-sweepstakes.com/forums/showpost.php?p=925309&postcount=186


The very first subscriber-only feature that anyone will see will be a subscribers-only forum which will probably be located underneath the Online-Sweepstakes & F.A.Q. forums. It will appear about 10 minutes after I'm done with the subscriptions (on Monday).

My number one priority after the subscriptions is getting MySweeps set-up to enable unlimited sweeps for subscribers. I've got to redo the add-a-sweep function first, but it shouldn't take me more than a day or two. My best guess would be unlimited sweeps by sometime this Wednesday.

I had planned on moving OLS to a brand spank'in new server Monday - Wednesday this coming week, but with all the extra time the subscriptions are taking, I'm going to have to wait until next month.

I should have a nice little surprise for all subscribers sometime Monday - Tuesday morning. Depending on how things work out, non-subscribers may have access to the suprise too- if not now then possibly in the near future. Again, I'm not trying to coerce anybody into buying a subscription, nor am I trying to "punish" OLS members who don't pay for a subscription. The fact of the matter is, there are just a lot of advanced features and functionality that would be impossible to offer to everybody for free. Without the OLS Premium Membership setup, I'd either have to offer a feature to all members or not at all. Paid subscriptions is the only thing that would make a lot of these upcoming features possible, and it's the absolute best way to give something back to the members who contribute the most to the OLS site and community.

The official start date has been pushed back to May 1st. Everyone's subscriptions have been credited to reflect the new start date. For example, instead of a one-year subscription expiring April 15th, 2005, they are now set to expire May 1st, 2005 (3-month and 6-month subscriptions were also extended accordingly). Delays are inevitable with this kind of thing, that's why I usually try to avoid announcing dates and deadlines- when I do, they're stabs in the dark at best. It is not at all beyond the realm of possibility that the official start date will be delayed again. If there is another delay, everyone's subscriptions will be credited accordingly.

The only way I'm going to delay it again is if I don't have MySweeps enabled with the ability for subscribers to save an unlimited number of sweeps by Thursday afternoon. If I don't have it done by then, it's going to have to wait until Sunday/Monday (April 25/26th) because of the big OLS shin-dig this coming weekend. Who knows, if things go right I could even have the entry tracking features available by then as well.

BTW, everyone is invited to the OLS get-together if you have a chance to make it to Springfield, Ohio this weekend (April 23 & 24th). We'll be filling in the rest of details sometime tomorrow (look for an announcement), but right now it looks like we'll be having our own little "social" Friday evening starting sometime around 4pm at the Springfield Inn in downtown Springfield. There will be some music and a cash bar (and I bought us a keg so that will be free). On Saturday, we're going to have poker tournament (Texas Hold'em- the same game that's been all over TV recently). And we're looking at a possible bowling outing sometime as well. Rest assured, whether you drink or not (you won't be the only one if you don't), we're all going to have a good, safe time. If you can make it, we'd be more than happy to have you there. :)

Ohio or Bust ~ April 24 (http://www.online-sweepstakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=109412) - more info on the OLS get-together this weekend



Peace. :gvibes:


Brent

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Related Information:
Introducing... OLS Premium Membership Subscriptions (http://www.online-sweepstakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=122603)

OLS Premium Membership - [4/2 Update] (http://www.online-sweepstakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=123613)

OLS Premium Membership - [4/18 Update] (http://www.online-sweepstakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=127730) (this page)

OLS Premium Membership - [5/1 Update] (http://www.online-sweepstakes.com/forums/showthread.php?t=131016)

Paid Subscriptions (http://www.online-sweepstakes.com/forums/subscriptions.php?) - purchase a subscription and check your current subscription status

kbsocial
April 18th, 2004, 6:16pm
Thank You Brent:gvibes:

Karen_246
April 18th, 2004, 6:19pm
Brent - You rock! Thanks for the update!



Karen

Kasey
April 18th, 2004, 6:21pm
:cheer7: Thanks Brent! :)

rojo13864
April 18th, 2004, 6:25pm
Thank you, Brent!! Awesome! :toot:

Cusmile
April 18th, 2004, 6:26pm
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Life is good!

mansker
April 18th, 2004, 6:27pm
You Rock!! Thanks Brent!

Pat

bramble
April 18th, 2004, 6:29pm
Hope you enjoy your much deserved break at the weekend

Cerris
April 18th, 2004, 6:30pm
Big thanks for the update. Hope you've scheduled in sleep into your schedule. If not, I'd recommend it, we'd all understand. Good luck.

mnsteph
April 18th, 2004, 6:45pm
Thanks for the update Brent. I cant make it to the big OH party but you all have a beer for me... :smile9:
Youre doing a great job and its much appreciated. :supstar:

Current
April 18th, 2004, 6:47pm
:gvibes:

Thank you, Brent.

:supstar:

marilyn lux
April 18th, 2004, 6:51pm
Thanks for taking the time from this huge task to update us. I can't wait for the surprize. I love surprizes!! :sherlock:

Cher
April 18th, 2004, 6:52pm
It's good to have an update so we know what is going on. Thanks for all your hard work. I patiently anticipate the new changes. :)

feline~ fantastic
April 18th, 2004, 6:55pm
WOOT!!! You da man!! :bluesbros :toast:

Iona256
April 18th, 2004, 7:03pm
:gvibes: Thanks much for the update. It answered a lot of questions. :gvibes:

Cassie725
April 18th, 2004, 7:08pm
:royal: You are the man :royal: :cheer7: :cheer7: :cheer7: :cheer7:

Rick
April 18th, 2004, 7:09pm
I know I rarely post, but I've been here awhile. I've always liked the way Brent and his staff handle things. I've been watching the paid membership "debate" and am glad I was donating portions of my win money back when there was only about a thousand of us. Brent, I've had your back since then, and definitely got it now! I've seen how far it's come since then, and never doubted you on the changes/decisions you've made.
THANX,
TriggaRick

pantherpaw
April 18th, 2004, 7:11pm
:cheer6: Rock on Brent!

twoandone
April 18th, 2004, 7:29pm
Good job...You have worked so hard on this!

JanMarie
April 18th, 2004, 7:40pm
Brent, thanks for the update, but, dang, man, retire your :superman: cape and get some :help: ; Thing from the Addams family could do all your :type: !

Seriously, big pat on the back for all the work you're doing to get the site up and going.

:bow: Thank ya, thank ya very much.

hulagirl_t
April 18th, 2004, 7:41pm
thanks for all the hard work, brent! i'm still trying to find a way to pay for my subscription, but hopefully i'll be all set to go by the time everythings up and running!

good luck with everything and have fun this weekend at the OH get-together everyone!!

suelee000
April 18th, 2004, 7:50pm
The price of having such a great site is that is takes alot of work. Thanks for the update.

crazywolf
April 18th, 2004, 7:50pm
Big hug :hugs: to Brent for all the long hours of hard work.I hope you can seat back and have a cold one :toast: and relax soon.

grandma44
April 18th, 2004, 7:55pm
:cheer3: BIG THANKS Brent for ALL YOU DO FOR US!!! Glad you get "some down time" at the OLS get together!!! Thanks much also to all the mods and editors and everyone else that makes this such a wonderful place!!! :lendhand: :hugs: :hugs: :cheer2:

mgkamish
April 18th, 2004, 7:57pm
Thanks so much for the update!

misty7126
April 18th, 2004, 8:00pm
Thanks for the update! :jump: And, all your hard work!

carolpie
April 18th, 2004, 8:03pm
Thanks so much! :cheer7: What a lot of work you do! Amazing!

elainmir
April 18th, 2004, 8:10pm
:jump: OK SOUNDS GOOD!

DisneyFan
April 18th, 2004, 8:12pm
Thanks, Brent!! This is such a great site - can't imagine how it will get any better. I can't wait!!! :laugh: :laugh:

tawneej
April 18th, 2004, 8:13pm
No worries. :cool2:

I, for one, appreciate your tremendous efforts and will patiently await the roll-out of the new features. Take your time; we'll be here! :gvibes:

And get some sleep, for heaven's sake! :sleep2:

WLAllen219
April 18th, 2004, 8:16pm
I can't begin to imagine what you must be going through. I'm suprised you haven't been posting up a storm in the "vent" forum. LOL
Please have a wonderful, much deserved, weekend. And if you can drink that much, add a beer on me along with the others posted here.
Many, many thanks!!
Wendy

DrJohn
April 18th, 2004, 8:21pm
Brent,I appreciate all of the hard work that you do here.Since I've been on "vacation",I find myself coming to the forums at different hours,day and night,and you're always here working.

Your dedication to this wonderful place shows in the superb organization,and in the respect you show for ALL of the members.

I thank you!

Now,get some sleep!!!:D

pinkDaisy
April 18th, 2004, 8:35pm
thanks for the update :)

djkilla
April 18th, 2004, 9:36pm
Too cool! Great job Brent! :D

-D j K i l l a-

Heather
April 18th, 2004, 9:37pm
Sounds awesome! Thanks a bunch, Brent!! :cool2:

jillian3445
April 18th, 2004, 9:55pm
Thanks For All The Hard Work!!

bud8girl
April 18th, 2004, 9:57pm
Thanks for the update!!!! :royal: :royal: :royal:

binski
April 18th, 2004, 10:09pm
Thanks for the update now please get some sleep! :sleep:

sweepsmountain
April 18th, 2004, 10:09pm
Thank you, Brent, for all you do to make this the greatest site around!! Remember to get some Zzzzzzzs! :sleep2:

punchandjudy
April 18th, 2004, 10:15pm
Brent - all this work you're doing is exactly why we need subscriptions. I was happy to pay. Thanks for all the long hours banging the keys to provide us with this great site :type:

angelynn03
April 18th, 2004, 10:16pm
Thanks Brent! I have not been here for that long, but as I've said before, this is the BEST site on the internet. I do not know how you do it, and I am glad you will be able to have some fun this weekend. Even the little things my kids and I have won since last August have amounted to more than the year membership. I truly appreciate you, all the other moderators, and everything else about this site. Whatever is going to happen for us soon, is like icing on the cake. GOOD things come to those who wait! THANKS, THANKS and THANKS!


*** Linda ***

sweepsfreak
April 18th, 2004, 10:19pm
Thanks so much for the update and all the hard work you do!

Rikostan
April 18th, 2004, 10:31pm
Thanks for the update! I doubt that you will even see this with all the work you are doing, but I am a web developer by trade and if there is anything I can do to help out please let me know.

kanecomp
April 18th, 2004, 10:46pm
I hope that those who posted criticisms are now confident in the process and in the honest efforts being put forth to make the premium membership work. Funny, I haven't seen any responses from those who were criticizing yesterday.

eilatang
April 18th, 2004, 10:52pm
Can't wait for the new features. Thanks :cheer7:

InterplanetJanet
April 18th, 2004, 10:53pm
thanks brent. I am holding off on paying until the paid features are up and running but I am looking forward to the changes. Thanks again for all of your hard work.

syrayes
April 18th, 2004, 11:36pm
Hey Brent
I'll tell you I have been really depressed over the prospect of turning 40 tomorrow-
Thank you so much for the best present ever!! I wish I could get together with you all but hopefully next time.
Renee

mariebow
April 19th, 2004, 12:42am
Thanks, already see the subscription, I paid last year. Wow! great. Now I anticipate the update of my payment for this month. But, get some sleep first. :sleep2:

RainGypsy
April 19th, 2004, 1:59am
Thanks for taking time out to update us! :smile9:

Dawggy
April 19th, 2004, 2:36am
Brent Keep up the great work and thanks for the update maybe it will ease some ppls mind who dont understand how intricate the details are in what your trying to do....~~~~~!!!!!!!

fruity40
April 19th, 2004, 9:03am
Great

Sabra505
April 19th, 2004, 9:13am
Thanks Brent!

:jump: :jump:

mgkamish
April 19th, 2004, 9:22am
I hope that those who posted criticisms are now confident in the process and in the honest efforts being put forth to make the premium membership work. Funny, I haven't seen any responses from those who were criticizing yesterday.

Then you haven't been reading very carefully.

deltajo
April 19th, 2004, 10:25am
Nice to know what's goin on. Many thx. Have a blast this weekend!

GinGin
April 19th, 2004, 10:41am
Thanks for the update Brent. Its a relief to know whats going on. Now I can get my panties out of the bunch they were in. lol. :laugh:

Truth is, we dont know how long it takes to do the things you do...we were all just working off the time you said it would be done. I understand now that it will take longer..which is perfectly OK in my book. Just glad everyone is on the same page now.

Thanks again

-GinGin

Dawnoholic
April 19th, 2004, 11:51am
what I read from Brent's message is that he has already done the Paypal memberships....in which case I still do not show that I paid when I go to the subscription page. I'm not whining, just wondering why :worry:

Current
April 19th, 2004, 11:56am
what I read from Brent's message is that he has already done the Paypal memberships....in which case I still do not show that I paid when I go to the subscription page. I'm not whining, just wondering why :worry:


I don't think Brent is done with the PayPal donations. Here is a quote from his update:

"I'm through May 18th, 2003 (working backwards) on the old PayPal donations."

Lpwilmer
April 19th, 2004, 12:29pm
Very nice, detailed and informed message, thanks heaps Brent.

And thanks to Current. I read and reread Brent's post, and was trying to figure out the Paypal part as well. Was hoping that it indeed meant that he hadn't gotten through all the Paypal's yet. :sherlock:

Lucki Sunni
April 19th, 2004, 12:29pm
Thanks for the update!

Marilyn
April 19th, 2004, 1:00pm
thanks, Brent. :smile9:

Dawnoholic
April 19th, 2004, 2:06pm
I don't think Brent is done with the PayPal donations. Here is a quote from his update:

"I'm through May 18th, 2003 (working backwards) on the old PayPal donations."

I'm reading it as he is not done with the PAST DONATIONS. Maybe I'm reading it wrong, but that is the way it comes across, and I did not donate, I simply joined and paid through Paypal last week. I'm sure it will show up eventually, I have my receipt, but it sounded as if he has already processed all paypal payments and was now working on donations.

iluvmichele
April 19th, 2004, 2:11pm
On Saturday, we're going to have poker tournament (Texas Hold'em- the same game that's been all over TV recently).


So Brent, does this mean that you will be playing!?!?!?!? I am trying to get all the details worked out. So let me know. :sherlock: Thanks!! :cheer7:

strchld
April 19th, 2004, 2:24pm
Tahnks for the update Brent! I know it must be soo time consuming to do this...can't wait to see the surprise!! :cheer7: :smile9:

lululisa
April 19th, 2004, 2:29pm
Brent, Thanks for all your hard work!!!!

chinchilla
April 19th, 2004, 2:48pm
I'm not going to throw up any subscriber-only features Well, I hope you're not going to throw up anything at all! :laugh: Sorry, I'm sure I'm the only one who finds that funny.

Seriously, thanks for the update. Don't forget to sleep! :sleep2:

hjean1216
April 19th, 2004, 2:48pm
:cheer7: Thanks for the info!!

antgama
April 19th, 2004, 4:32pm
A BIG thanks for the update! :)

Lpwilmer
April 19th, 2004, 6:04pm
I initially took it the same way you did, but am hoping that maybe Current is right. He probably was trying to get as much information as he could on "paper". As I've stated for the last week, I paid for two subscriptions - two different transactions via Paypal - same day. One was credited (my son's) - mine wasn't. He did get the thank you email from Brent and when he logs onto Paid subscriptions he get's the appropriate screen. I haven't received as of yet. I do have my Paypal confirmations. They advise you to contact OLS w/ any questions relative to the service.

I imagine we'll see or hear something soon.

Lpwilmer
April 19th, 2004, 7:08pm
I got an email from Paypal stating that both of my payments had cleared through. Immediately after I checked the User CP and have been credited for both of the payments I sent in. :cheer7:

JanMarie
April 19th, 2004, 7:53pm
Well, I hope you're not going to throw up anything at all! :laugh: Sorry, I'm sure I'm the only one who finds that funny.
LOL, I missed that one! (see, you're not the only one with a warped sense of humor)

Ask him again after the Ohio get-together :laugh:

Dawnoholic
April 19th, 2004, 8:11pm
I initially took it the same way you did, but am hoping that maybe Current is right. He probably was trying to get as much information as he could on "paper". As I've stated for the last week, I paid for two subscriptions - two different transactions via Paypal - same day. One was credited (my son's) - mine wasn't. He did get the thank you email from Brent and when he logs onto Paid subscriptions he get's the appropriate screen. I haven't received as of yet. I do have my Paypal confirmations. They advise you to contact OLS w/ any questions relative to the service.

I imagine we'll see or hear something soon.

Yes, I got my Paypal receipt immediately after paying but it still isn't showing up in my user CP. I'm annoyed (at myself!) because I rushed to get the subscription in, fearing I would miss out on something good, and forgot to change my Paypal payment method to my CC. Unfortunately I could only afford to do the three months right now, but since I didn't change my Paypal info it took it from my checking account overdraft and it was paid, but they slapped me with a $25 fee! So I ended up paying $32.50 for three months of OLS Premium, more than a year's subscription, all because I rushed for the 15th :mad2:

amy2951
April 19th, 2004, 8:14pm
Thank you Brent! :jump: :jump: :jump:

SSquared1980
April 19th, 2004, 8:21pm
Thanks so much Brent for all you do!!! I'm looking forward to all the new features. Sorry I'm gonna miss the Ohio get together... Have fun and take a break!

Ambrielle
April 19th, 2004, 9:11pm
Ouch Dawnoholic! :frown4:

I keep checking my User CP and still showing unpaid. However, I sent a check and see that snail mail is last to be upgraded. I am sure it will be taken care of in due time.

I am so looking forward to being able to save unlimited entries in "My Sweeps"! :clap:

schnoodle
April 20th, 2004, 11:49am
Can I paypal, do I have to send a check snail mail, is there a way via this site?

chuckybaby
April 20th, 2004, 1:02pm
click on User CP (on left side--upper part of this page) go to paid subscriptions and use PayPal. I had no problems at all with it. Many people using snail mail have to wait for them to clear and is taking longer.

Heather
April 20th, 2004, 4:10pm
click on User CP (on left side--upper part of this page) go to paid subscriptions and use PayPal. I had no problems at all with it. Many people using snail mail have to wait for them to clear and is taking longer.

Do what chuckybaby said, or here's the link:
http://www.online-sweepstakes.com/forums/subscriptions.php?

candes
April 20th, 2004, 5:41pm
I should have a nice little surprise for all subscribers sometime Monday - Tuesday morning. Depending on how things work out, non-subscribers may have access to the suprise too- if not now then possibly in the near future.


What was the surprise? Did I miss it?

Cecilia

fruity40
April 20th, 2004, 7:55pm
I don't know what the surprise was either

Danielle24
April 20th, 2004, 8:06pm
DiD I miss The suprise?

grasslady
April 21st, 2004, 7:39pm
Thanks Brent!! :) I wish I could make the Ohio trip sounds like a bunch of fun! Those going have a great time and one for me!!! :cheer7:

katieco
April 22nd, 2004, 6:32am
I just tried to use paypal to pay for the membership. I would put in all my info and hit submit and then it says the payment session has expired please try again, so I tried 2more times and had the same problem. I am not a member of paypal so I was paying with credit card. Oh well, I guess I will have to send a check to Brent, but I know that will take much longer.

ktwdg
April 22nd, 2004, 6:55am
I finally found the check link!!!!!!!! It's on the 4/2 update fyi.

jdbaron
April 23rd, 2004, 10:38am
From the main page, you wouldn't have any idea that a premium membership option exists!! I've searched around for a few minutes and can't see any reference to it whatsoever on the site outside of the forums. Where do you subscribe? Where is the information on the website outside of the forums that describes what you get for the subscription fee?

There is too little information on this that seems to be very secretly posted. More information in a better, more upfront location is needed.

mgkamish
April 23rd, 2004, 11:36am
Check the very first post in this thread. It explains everything you need to know. Except that it isn't up and ready yet.

Rclinite
April 23rd, 2004, 12:12pm
Wow thanks much Brent yall have a great weekend wish I could join in on the fun but Ohio just too far for me. Brent Thanks again for all your hard work. Ray :cheer: :cheer: :cheer:

jdbaron
April 23rd, 2004, 1:52pm
Yes, I do see the information in the first post of this thread, thank you, but my point is that it ONLY exists in the forums. I'm sure many people come to this site and never look at the forums. If they are interested in selling this premium membership, it would be best for there to be a link to it on the main page or elsewhere in the navigation. Having the information in a forum alone is not enough.

mgkamish
April 23rd, 2004, 2:23pm
So sorry. Okay, here's another one back atcha. I don't think Brent is concerned with advertising for new members at this point. He has been so inundated with responses from current members to become registered members that he hasn't even had time to do the updates yet. Once everything is up and ready and everyone's current accounts have been updated, I'm sure he'll consider whether or not to advertise.

Baldy
April 26th, 2004, 8:35am
Thank you, Brent. I have not been sweeping regularly lately, and just got around to read this. It's a wonderful site.

judyv01510
April 26th, 2004, 10:36pm
yep

bookiej
April 27th, 2004, 3:55am
I didn't know there was a premium subscription either. I love this site!!! I have found, that with this site, you don't really need any others.

kayaker9
April 27th, 2004, 7:42am
Thank you Brent for your tremendous dedication and hard work. If I didn't live so far away and in the middle of a huge workload crunch thru June, I would love to get to Ohio to meet you and other OLS members. Unfortunately won't, but hope to catch the next one. Hope you get some much needed rest.

MacSSS
April 27th, 2004, 3:24pm
Does anyone know approx how long it will take once you mail payment in until it shows up on your account? I sent my money out on april 15... Just curious.

Thanks all!

ttucker575
April 27th, 2004, 5:58pm
Thanks for the 411 Brent you da man

judyv01510
April 28th, 2004, 11:35pm
Oh My Thank yoy thank you thank

judyv01510
April 28th, 2004, 11:36pm
Yeah da man