Dr Rice

[Txsweeper]

Well, it's awful quiet here in political land. I'm taking it that everyone's still asleep or out to lunch!! I waited and waited for you guys, but you failed me.

I, IMHO, felt as though Dr. Rice was straight forward and a professional the whole time she was being pounded. My hats off to her. President Bush should be proud to have such a strong woman in office.

I think we all learned the same thing we've known all along, Hindsight is 20/20 and unless you're born with Crystal Balls, emmmm, err, a crystal ball implanted in your head, you can't know every move of every person on the earth, like a two year-old child, if you look away for just a second, they're in the hands of strangers.

[tigress2b]

I too was waiting to see the rippling effect of the hearing.

Sorry Txsweeper, I dont quite agree with your assessment, but thats okay right? Thats what the forums are all about. Intelligent intriguing discussions.

I still think there remains many unanswered questions. I think she was a bit nervous. She is usually very steady in her speaking and today she sounded as though she was speaking too fast and was trying to remember some "one-line" rehearsed answers. I do not question her intelligence, but I think she is either 'out of the loop regardless of how much time she spends with the president. Perhaps that is the issue. Is she really approachable to her supporting staff if she is connected at the hip with the president? Do you want to go to your boss and say hey by the way, we have some new intelligence that we've been mislead by blah blah blah and we gave the president misinformation etc.


The one I really want to hear from is DrJohn, but he hasnt been around today.

Okay, someone elses turn. Boy I hope Gcomstock doesnt chime in he can discuss circles around me :laugh:

[pechuna]

She did a great job!

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20040408/D81QOJS01.html

[iggy1I]

Yes, a fabulous job!

Still, Rice said she believed the memo, called "Bin Laden determined to attack inside the United States," focused on history and "was not a warning." :worry:

Seems everything Clarke said was true...

[Txsweeper]

The Western regimes and the government of the United States of America bear the blame for what might happen. If their people do not wish to be harmed inside their very own countries, they should seek to elect governments that are truly representative of them and that can protect their interests. ...
Edit: Added another paragraph

The American government is leading the country towards hell. ... We say to the Americans as people and to American mothers, if they cherish their lives and if they cherish their sons, they must elect an American patriotic government that caters to their interests not the interests of the Jews. If the present injustice continues with the wave of national consciousness, it will inevitably move the battle to American soil, just as Ramzi Yousef and others have done. This is my message to the American people. I urge them to find a serious administration that acts in their interest and does not attack people and violate their honor and pilfer their wealth. ...



http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/binladen/who/interview.html

May, 1998 interview with Osama Bin Laden.

Historical document, historical threats.

[Tametaz]

Historical document, historical threats.

There are plenty of historical threats. But the document in question is: Bin Laden determined to attack inside the United States, which has not yet been declassified, so we still do not know if it contained any information of warning.

If this is a historical document as she has stated why will they not declassify it? According to what to what I have read is once it is historical is not dealing with any current or going forward events.

[Txsweeper]

According to what to what I have read is once it is historical is not dealing with any current or going forward events.

You could be right on what you believe to be the definition, I would think "historical document" would mean, "no new information to present to you, but here's what we already know."

And you're correct, until it's declassified, we won't know exactly what was in that memo. It's all speculation.

[Tametaz]

Here is Testimony of Condoleezza Rice Before 9/11 Commission

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/04/08/politics/08RICE-TEXT.html

[advantage2000]

I agree that women, as a gender won today, with her strong poise and professionalism under pressure...

But we, as a country, lost today, as we come to the shocking realization that Richard Clarke was RIGHT.

:frown3:

[DrJohn]

I believe that Ms Rice showed that she is a very intelligent person, that truly (and blindly) believes that everything georgie does is right.
To say that they were only in office 200 plus days (I forget the exact number) as one of her many excuses for our leadership's failure,shows just how indefensible her position is.
They are quick to claim all resposibility for our armed forces readiness (again being in power that "short" length of time) but can't be held accountable for the failure to act on this "historical" document for the same reason....that's bushie logic at it's best....

[DrJohn]

Oh,I forgot another one of my favorite moments from today's "testimony";Ms Rice saying that georgie was tired of "swatting flies" and Bob Kerrey reminding her that he hadn't swatted any flies...

Georgie was probably thinking about all of the flies he swatted on his Texas ranch while he was on one of his extended vacations.He sure didn't do a damn thing about terrorism before 9/11 happened.

[pechuna]

There was no silver bullet to avert the attack, "Kemo Sabe":

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=578&u=/nm/20040408/pl_nm/security_rice_dc_26

[advantage2000]

Oh,I forgot another one of my favorite moments from today's "testimony";Ms Rice saying that georgie was tired of "swatting flies" and Bob Kerrey reminding her that he hadn't swatted any flies...

Georgie was probably thinking about all of the flies he swatted on his Texas ranch while he was on one of his extended vacations.He sure didn't do a damn thing about terrorism before 9/11 happened.

I heard that someone said "YOU SWATTED ONE FLY! How tired could you get?"

Not the bloodbath I hoped for, though.

[Current]

She was poised, a little nervous, but still a very intelligent woman. Also very, very loyal to Shrub, her boss. Which is not a bad thing, a boss expects loyalty. Too bad that she was on the hot seat today, and not her boss, who probably sat in a nice Oval Office with all kinds of advisors around him, totally dissecting every question...and every answer coming out of her mouth. Let the spin begin. Seems the focus is on Rice now......which I think is exactly what was supposed to happen.

Let's not forget that he didn't want her to have to do this, but bowed under the pressure of the American people wanting to know the truth. Of course, that was simply because it is an election year......

I commend her, but I also remember that she is getting paid big bucks and wouldn't be where she is without Bush.

I'm not too impressed by the whole thing, and I'm taking everything with a grain of salt. I honestly think that we didn't learn a whole lot of truth today.

But that is just me.

Flame away.

[Txsweeper]

We say to the Americans as people and to American mothers, if they cherish their lives and if they cherish their sons, they must elect an American patriotic government that caters to their interests not the interests of the Jews.

Link in my earlier post.

You're all right, we were warned that Al Qaeda was going to bring their Holy War to American soil. Could we have done something to stop him? We had plenty of warning. We should have eliminated Osama Bin Laden long before 9/11. Our government ignored this madman and when he carried out his attack we started pointing fingers at each other instead of standing up to him in the first place.

Yes, we could have stopped this. We could have elected a racist government.

Put blame where blame is due. He's a madman with an agenda. His followers are still trying to carry out his agenda. It's very sad and I suspect we haven't heard of the last of it here on our soil. :worry: :worry:

[jenninshelby]

I think she has more ballz than Bush. I cannot imagine having to sit there in front of all those people with the media right in your face and stuff. I think she did not tell the truth about certain things though. Just my thoughts though.

[c1986goose]

Dick Clarke was asked by the 9/11 Commission if anything we know today could have stopped the attacks on 9/11. Clarke said NO.

Condi Rice was asked by the 9/11 Commission if anything we know today could have stopped the attacks on 9/11. Rice said NO.

What is the problem? The Commission is supposed to find out what went wrong and report it to the President/citizens, but it seems like it has become bipartisan politics as usual.

[iggy1I]

Point Proved?
Clarke Says Rice’s Testimony Bolstered His Claims
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/WNT/US/clarke_interview_transcript_040408.html

<snip>
Jennings: I just want to ask you, you heard people using your testimony in a variety of different ways. But I wondered if you would start first by reaffirming your statement that even with more aggressive action by the Bush administration, the events of 9/11 could not have been prevented and then explain then, if you would, why what you have said should matter to this commission.

Clarke: Well, Peter, I was asked by Senator Gorton if the adoption of the strategy in February, as opposed to September, would have stopped 9/11, and I said no. And Dr. Rice said no. I think we agree on that.

The adoption of the strategy would not have stopped 9/11. What I've said might have had some effect on 9/11 would have been if Dr. Rice and the president had acted personally, gotten involved, shaken the trees, gotten the Cabinet members involved when they had ample warning in June and July and August that something was about to happen.

[jellosheriff]

I believe that Ms Rice showed that she is a very intelligent person, that truly (and blindly) believes that everything georgie does is right.
To say that they were only in office 200 plus days (I forget the exact number) as one of her many excuses for our leadership's failure,shows just how indefensible her position is.
They are quick to claim all resposibility for our armed forces readiness (again being in power that "short" length of time) but can't be held accountable for the failure to act on this "historical" document for the same reason....that's bushie logic at it's best....

I, on the other hand, thought she should be commended for not coming right out and blasting the CIA which has become a left-wing office for career bureaucrats instead of the think tank it was during World War II (or Reagan's own personal OSS within the CIA). To quote Herbert E. Meyer of Real World Intelligence, Inc. "Intelligence is like science, which means that success depends utterly on having the most brilliant people studying a problem. Only they will know how to go about finding the right answer- and how to communicate it clearly and early enough to make a difference." If you read his article in Imprimis, it's quite clear that the CIA is lacking in the necessary genius for the task at hand and has a political agenda that doesn't match the current administration. If all parties would put politics aside and restructure the CIA and FBI (as Dr. Rice repeated several times), we could avoid battling each other and concentrate on security for our UNITED states.

[iggy1I]

I, on the other hand, thought she should be commended for not coming right out and blasting the CIA which has become a left-wing office for career bureaucrats instead of the think tank it was during World War II (or Reagan's own personal OSS within the CIA). To quote Herbert E. Meyer of Real World Intelligence, Inc. "Intelligence is like science, which means that success depends utterly on having the most brilliant people studying a problem. Only they will know how to go about finding the right answer- and how to communicate it clearly and early enough to make a difference." If you read his article in Imprimis, it's quite clear that the CIA is lacking in the necessary genius for the task at hand and has a political agenda that doesn't match the current administration. If all parties would put politics aside and restructure the CIA and FBI (as Dr. Rice repeated several times), we could avoid battling each other and concentrate on security for our UNITED states.
Nice tiger you got there! :laugh:

[Txsweeper]

Nice tiger you got there! :laugh:

Nice tiger you got there!

Yeah, I bet poor iggy freaked out that he had posted that wonderful and insightful post.

Thank you jellosheriff (great name). I also posted under politics a commentary by Andrew McCarthy which says the basic same things your post said.

[iggy1I]

Yeah, I bet poor iggy freaked out that he had posted that wonderful and insightful post.

Thank you jellosheriff (great name). I also posted under politics a commentary by Andrew McCarthy which says the basic same things your post said.
Iggy is a she.