Kerry Ranked 'most Liberal' In Senate Roll Call Votes, Tops Kennedy, Clinton!

[pechuna]

At least Kerry can be #1 in something:


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1086617/posts

[DrJohn]

At least Kerry can be #1 in something:


http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1086617/posts

What's wrong with beig liberal?The conservative 'publicans have showed us what they can do to the
country;Massive unemployement,runaway national debt.HA! They talk about fiscal responsibility;that's like having Dennis Rodman telling you how to make your hair attractive!GEEZ!


We know from the last election that being #1 in the popular vote does not guarantee that you will get the electorial votes to be prez,so when Kerry wins the popular vote this Nov.,we not only need more than a majority (and try to keep dubya's brother from throwing Fla.!) ,we need to show a MANDATE from the people.

dubya IS #1;in deceitful practices and fiscal irresponsibility!

[pechuna]

While your hero, William Jefferson Clinton is #1 in letting terrorists run wild, weakening our military while maintaining his position at Gap staining Navy blue dresses. You should be proud!

[DrJohn]

And dubya has so much to be proud of!!!! www.thousandreasons.net/resume.html

[Mary Beth]

Pechuna, sorry but it wasn't Clinton who let terrorists run wild - it was Bush. The Clinton administration tried to get bin Laden a few years ago and gave the incoming Bush administration a whole plan for getting bin Laden. The Bush administration shelved it.

Oh, and if you'd like to talk about morality, there's quite a well-known list of Bush sins.

[carogonza]

Being a liberal myself, I find them quite conservative and moderate. Now Ralph Nader, he's a liberal, Martin sheen, liberal. So it's probably misleading to say that Kerry is a liberal because he really IS NOT at least in a liberal's mind.

[lfainma]

ANYONE is better that bush.

[superchickee]

ANYBODY BUT KERRY !!!!!:smile9:

[bulldglit]

Being a liberal myself, I find them quite conservative and moderate. Now Ralph Nader, he's a liberal, Martin sheen, liberal. So it's probably misleading to say that Kerry is a liberal because he really IS NOT at least in a liberal's mind.

Who are we using as a standard to determine liberals? If Kerry is the most liberal, then Russ "I need a fix" Limbaugh should be considered only mildly conservative.

[carogonza]

Who are we using as a standard to determine liberals? If Kerry is the most liberal, then Russ "I need a fix" Limbaugh should be considered only mildly conservative.


Bull,
good question and that's the problem. By tagging someone a liberal it seems that they automatically dumped in with the Nader's. Micheal Moore etc., so it's misleading. People use liberal as a dirty word and it shouldn't be so.

[pattyepye]

Liberal is not a four letter word...

[c1986goose]

From web.ask.com

What is the Liberal Left and What is its Goal?
by TYSK


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The liberal left is neither a singular entity nor even a single group or organization. Liberalism is a mindset just as conservatism is a mindset. For the average liberal there is not one "goal" or outcome for which they strive.

I am sure that most individuals afflicted with a liberal mindset would be unable to name any particular goal for their beliefs. It is in many ways like a religion ... a set of pre-defined attitudes and opinions by which they make decisions in life. Most often these attitudes and opinions are not of their own formation or arrived at through considered thought. Instead, they are learned from others' repeated pronouncements of them. Those making these statements often have come to learn them in the same way. Much the same as fables and Bible stories are passed down from generation to generation. Unfortunately many of the "proclaimers" are entrenched in the schools and colleges and their views are imbedded in impressionable minds not yet skilled in giving these ideas critical examination.

The key to the successful spread of liberalism is specifically its lack of critical thought on the results of liberal ideas and solutions for society's problems. In fact, to be judgmental or to offer analysis of liberal prescriptions is in itself considered being anti-liberal. Just as a critic of any religious denomination is labeled a heretic, so too critics of liberalism are labeled uninformed or unenlightened. In other words you must take their beliefs and accept them even if they are contradictory or counterproductive.

In order to accept liberalism a person must operate on an emotional level almost exclusively. Persons steeped in logic or the physical sciences are far less likely to be swept into the liberal camp. In addition, as people age and experience the trials of life and reflect on the cause-and-effect relationship of events they tend to become less liberal and more conservative in their thinking.

"Any man under 30 who is not a liberal has no heart, and any man over 30 who is not a conservative has no brains." — Winston Churchill†

Tragically, this means our young are the most vulnerable to liberal indoctrination. Whether by design or happenstance, it is a fact that the teaching profession has a history of attracting persons of a liberal, or leftist, ideology. This places them precisely where they need to be in order to spread their philosophy.

The tenth plank of the Communist Manifesto states, "Free education for all children in public schools. Abolition of children's factory labor in its present form. Combination of education with industrial production, etc." — Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels – 1848

While most practitioners of liberalism have no true goals or agendas for their beliefs, those in position to affect public policy often do have such goals. The common liberal is but a pawn in the ongoing struggle between socialism and freedom. Those in power on the left know that our system of representative democracy enables them to pursue their statist agenda by winning over the majority of the voting public to their positions and candidates. They are well aware that most people have little time or inclination to study about or give great thought to important matters of the day. Instead, large numbers of voters cast their ballots based purely on emotional terms ... the very heart of liberalism's appeal.

(One could argue that the average conservative is no less a pawn for those on the right. Yet, by definition, a conservative arrives at his beliefs through the process of critical thought. As such, he is much less likely to be swayed by wrong-headed proposals even should they be offered up as "conservative". Most conservatives will weigh issues and solutions on their individual merits and only then decide if they are worthy of support.)

The true agenda of the left is statism or control of the society by a small elite group. They are a patient lot and willing to achieve their goals over a long period of time through seemingly minor and incremental changes in the laws and attitudes of the nation. Through the constant hammering of emotion driven issues — education, the environment, child safety, gun control, nuclear war, etc. — they gradually affect the laws and policies that govern our society. All the while moving us closer to their goal of a nation of serfs working for the benefit of the powerful few that will control every aspect of a citizen's life.

[Mary Beth]

Hey, Goose, that's absolutely hysterical! I love your definitions of liberalism as a belief system arrived at with no thought and conservatism is one arrived at through "critical thought." That's the way to do it - if you write the definitions, you can put down anything you want!

Personally, as a 57-year-old liberal (see, I didn't believe it when Saint Ronnie tried to make "liberal" a bad word), I'd always felt that liberals were the ones who cared about humanity and conservatives only care about themselves.

[CatLover]

Interesting. I thought this was a post in favor of Kerry. I guess that depends on whether you favor liberals or not. I could never figure out how "liberal" became a dirty word. To me, it means more open-minded and compassionate.

[sweepyhead]

Jesus was a liberal.

Sweepy:sleep2:

[sweepyhead]

ANYBODY BUT KERRY !!!!!:smile9:

Are you endorsing Edwards then?

Sweepy:sleep2:

[c1986goose]

:laugh: :laugh: They say that laughter is good for the soul and you people really keep me in good spirits!!!