View Full Version : words of wisdom from Colin Powell
February 13th, 2004, 5:41pm
"I am angry that so many of the sons of the powerful and well-placed...
managed to wangle slots in Reserve and National Guard units...Of the many
tragedies of Vietnam, this raw class discrimination strikes me as the most
damaging to the ideal that all Americans are created equal and owe equal
allegiance to their country."
--Colin Powell's autobiography, My American Journey, p. 148
February 17th, 2004, 8:34pm
As a VietNam Veteran and former Marine, I had to look up some facts concerning the Reserve and National Guard during the war. Before I start let me first say that I enlisted in the Corps in August 1969. My draft number was 327, but I felt as an American and because my family has served since the Revolutionary War that I must go and defend our way of life. Yes, I was disallusioned when I got home to no parades, people spitting on us and calling us baby killers. North Vietnamese Gen. Vo Nguyen Giap stated that the reason his country won the war was because of The VeitNam Veterans Against the War and the protesting that they did back home that fomented disorder with the American citizens. We U. S. troops won the every battle, but lost the war because of this.
As for Gen. Colin Powell's remarks about Reserve and the National Guard. The Reserves had 5,977 soldiers killed in the war and the National Guard had 6,140 that served there with 101 dying for a total of 6078 deaths. Of the 58,158 total deaths this figures out to be 9.57% of the casualties.
I am sure that a lot of influential people had their children moved out of the combat zones. Al Gore was a photographer who was never near a combat zone. Active duty soldiers/marines with higher up family members were assigned to cushy jobs. it happens everywhere, in the military and civilian life.
That war was over 29 years ago. What does it matter if someone was in the National Guard or regular service. All that matters is what that person has done with his life since then. Heck, our last President used a Federal Senator to get him a draft deferment and he was still elected.
Let it go. Judge a person by what he has accomplished and his leadership.
Let it go.......
February 17th, 2004, 11:15pm
Colin Powell is a very wise man. I can't understand how someone with his morals can stand to be a part of this shameful administration.
I know what Bush and his buddies have done. That is why I and other people with a sense of right and wrong don't like them.
February 18th, 2004, 10:26am
What makes Colin Powell wise and what is shameful about this administration? State your facts.
February 18th, 2004, 12:46pm
Funny how people absolutely raked Bill Clinton over the coals about his lack of service and yet now the prevailing attitude is "Oh well, that's in the past." My dad's a Vietnam vet too, and my family has also served the United States since the Revolutionary War, and I happen to think those things matter a whole lot. Why else would we bother remembering our ancestors who served if their service were not important and valuable? It is a disservice to the memories of those who fought and died to say that such things don't matter, that if you wait long enough, and have enough money, everyone will just forget about your cowardice (at least Bill Clinton had the nerve to admit he opposed the war, instead of hiding behind nationalist rhetoric designed to appeal to the lowest common denominator) and you can even be elected President by an unthinking, uncaring public willfully ignorant of its own history. This ignorance, combined with a blind devotion to public figures more concerned with lining their own pockets than making sure every American has access to health care, fills me with an overwhelming sense of despair and a genuine fear for the future of our country and its people.
February 18th, 2004, 7:24pm
your post have to do with the original #1 post? Colin Powell made it seem like the Reserves and NG did nothing during the war. My post showed they did. I am sure that with enough time it can be shown in the 58,158 deaths that there were alot of well-to-do upper middle class men/women that were killed. As I stated, in civilian or military life, if your parent/s are influential you will be protected. At least GWB attempted to serve his country. He did not run off to Oxford and visit Russia during that time. He got his Honorable Discharge. A lot of people ran for the border.
February 18th, 2004, 8:30pm
Attempted to serve his country my foot. He joined a National Guard unit that had just come back from Vietnam. He knew he wouldn't have to serve. The glorification of this coward sickens me.
February 18th, 2004, 8:40pm
I think you boiled it down to its essence when you said he JOINED a National Guard unit.
February 19th, 2004, 12:02am
Yeah, that counts. Excuse me while I stick my fingers down my throat. :rolleyes:
February 19th, 2004, 1:52am
Judge a person by what he has accomplished and his leadership
Poor George, history will not judge him kindly. :frown3:
February 19th, 2004, 3:31pm
by your fist, arm, body then NOTHING.
February 19th, 2004, 6:44pm
Am I hearing this right? So, folks that joined the National Guard or Reserves during Nam were cowards...I beg to differ. I lost a close friend in the National guard to that war. And BTW, he was assigned to a unit that had recently come back, but was re-deployed.
I don't give a hoot what someone did or didn't do 35 years ago anyway...especially something so easily manipulated by the press and others.
February 20th, 2004, 2:58pm
Unless that person is Ted Kennedy, right, Maineiac? :rolleyes:
Oh, and Goose--once you start attacking me personally, which you've just chosen to do, you immediately go on ignore and I cease taking you or any of your arguments seriously.
February 20th, 2004, 11:27pm
If the shoe fits, wear it!!!! :nana: